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Originally posted by astrowill:
I made some attempts at it. I would photoread a book and in the following days try to achieve lucid dreaming. Upon "waking up" in a dream, I would ask myself, "so what's that book about?" It never worked. Youngprer, have you been successful with it?
So far, not directly, no. However, book's content has showed up in my dreams after PRing it before going to sleep. AlexK has also reported PRing stuff showing up. In one recent dream, I was speaking complete Spanish, and I'd not learned much of any Spanish at all, but had PRed many books on it. This means that the concept of being able to design platforms for dream environments and then exploring them without conscious knowledge is possible, like what my group LGG is trying to achieve. (http://www.geocities.com/doc5587/lgg/home.htm)
I've learned that there's a lot of factors that go into the process of getting the information from the book. One is perception, another is expectation, which link up hand in hand. If you expect it to be laid out in front of you in an image-like, or symbolic form, that might work. On the other hand, if you're expecting to just know that much information at once automatically into your conscious recognition, that's not going to work, because the conscious is the conscious and it's always going to be limited, whether you're dreaming or not. You can access the subconscious while dreaming, but consciously, you still have to worry about taking in only 7 things at once. I could be wrong about this, because of the altered states of consciousness, as well as the speed of dreams in relation to real-time, and if I am, correct me. This is one principle that LGG is going off of in its experiments, and its an important one.
-youngprer
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For me lucid dreams are for exploring.
Regular dreams for reading and intepreting/exploring books I photoread before sleep.
Activtion is for anything I want to understand at a conscious level.
Alex
First and most importantly...
You cannot "read' at 1 million words a minute.
The conscious mind can only handle 7 plus or minus 2 bits of information per second. Meaning 'reading' speeds are between 300 and 540 words per minute... anything faster than that is not reading because it is beyond the speed at which the conscious mind is able to process information.
2. Activation is bringing to your conscious awareness information that you have photoread. Using curiosity. purpose, questions and any other words that describe a having a reason to want to know and understand consciously.
In answer to the question
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do you think with me that you can activate 1 million words (what about if it is 10 mins and 10 millions words) you as an expert in photoreading and visualy thinking and has lots of experince in PRING tell me the what to do if I want to activate 10 millions words a day
The answer is... the conscious mind cannot handle it in a 24 hour day the conscious mind can only handle 604,800 bits of information. In the average waking day (18 hours) that is 453,600. If you do nothing but activate or read at the average maximum one would achieve 1 million words within 3 days.
While we are already photoreading at just under 1 million words per minute bringing this information to the conscious mind needs more than 2 day consciously understand word for word what you have read.
Does this make photoreading pointless?
No. The gem of PhotoReading is we do not need to know the mechanics of everything consciously. Just like we don't need to know the laws of combustions to drive a car. Nor do we consciously need to calibrate how much pressure we need to apply to the gas or brakes to get a car (or bike or roller blades or a skateboard) into motion. We let out other than conscious mind take care of that. With photoreading we teach out other than conscious mind to take care of that too. So rather than reading being a solely conscious task we hand it to our other than conscious mind to handle if for us.
This brings me to dream activation and questions asked of me about my dream activation experience in the email
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I want to know from you about your activation dream. how many hours do you sleep and what is exactly your activation while sleeping? Do you see the book? Did you meet the writer? Did you see objects about what did you pred
I sleep in 3 to 4 hour blocks since it is middle of winter right now for me I usually follow that with another 3 to 4 hour block. I have been recalling my dreams for many years. As often stated if you want to have dream recall or experience lucid dreaming record your dreams daily.
My activation during dreaming is usually question and answer type sessions. I have a sense of curiosity about the book before I fall asleep and during my sleep state I find myself getting answers. Evaluating the subject against experience or other books on the subject. I find that I form ideas, answers and have even noticed errors in the ideas of the author. (Errors to my mind) that served for further questions and bring in information from other sources or books as to why I perceive them as errors or places to disagree. I guess the best way to describe my activation experiences is like being in a laboritory or questions and answer session/discussion with the author. From time to time I see passages written from the book.
This doesn't necessarily happen with every book I have found some more obscured in other parts of my dreams, Like an aside idea or note or comment that someone makes about the subject that I have photoread. The image of the cover of the book might so up and someone makes a comment about it that sort of summarises it.
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Did you activate the whole book while sleeping?
My comment "If I want to reread a part of a book to know it consciously I'm not going to waste 15 or 20 minutes of lucid dreaming on that... I can get more out of the whole book in 15 to 20 minutes regular activation" quote:
Waste your time in that?
Even within lucid dreams that which is conscious can only be handled by the conscious mind at 7 plus or minus 2 bits of information per second. What I have Photoread at 25,000 plus words per minute I am not going to slow down and read at 300 to 500 words per minute during a lucid dream. My inner mind has already processed it and can give me questions and answers during my dream state. All I need to do is remember to record my dream when I wake up. As soon as I become Lucid in a dream my conscious mind comes into play and frankly it's slower than a snail in a sack race slowing down what my inner mind can do at lightening speed. Lucid dreams are great times to experience stuff we cannot naturally do during the waking state, like play a musical intrument if we don't play, change the colour of the sky, know stuff we have no conscious way of knowing or consciously create landscapes to please our senses and even to fly. Read a book that I have photoread? I can do that consciously... read a book that I have never seen before that gives me insider information (precognition) Okay I'll do that. But for a book that I have physically photoread? Read it? No waste of time... live it and experience it lucidly that is another level of learning.
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I agree with you 100 % that regular activation is realy important
Regular activation is only as important as what you want to know from the text. It is a for satisfying the conscious mind, the critical reading factor required by our school system and fantastic for developing the speed at which the inner mind can give the conscious mind the blocks of information. A useful means of developing trust between the inner mind and conscious mind.
Sorry there are no short cuts. The fastest way to get your reading done faster is to use the photoreading system daily.
As often suggested Photoread at least 3, doing well 5 excellent 10 books per day (can be the same book) Fully activate at least one book per week.
Bt fully activate I mean bring to conscious comprehension, to the same or better level of comprehension, you have been accustomed to reaching by regular reading. Do this by being an active participant in the reading process. Be curious about what you are activating, ask questions of yourself before photoreading the book and then after, discover how the feeling of knowing/understanding feels for you. Set reasonable goals, hold your expectation high at the same time notice when your goals feel unrealistic.
NB the goal to read or activate 1 million words per minute is unrealistic because you are asking the slowest part of your mind to do the task for you.
Alex
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Interviewer: What about the sceptics?
Paul: Well, it's been quite fun. We had an opportunity at Gustavus College ... in the Medialab. They used a video screen and flashed a volume of US Patent Law at a rate of 33 pages a second at one of our students. This equated to a rate of 693,000 words a minute. The recall on the test afterwards was 75%! http://www.bbap.co.nz/photo.html
i am asking does anyone know how did the student activate ?
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If you want to activate... whether spontaneously or to have conscious comprehension of the text as one is accustomed to with regular reading. Ask questions and check the book for the accuracy of your answers.
Alex
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Originally posted by guevara:
is lucid dreaming affective in activation ?
does anyone activate by it and go to exams and got A plus
i still not having my first lucid dream but i am trying
However, it's much more "satisfying" as she said to just activate. Plus, you will get much more out of 15 minutes activating a book than a 15 minute Lucid Dream.
What I think the appeal is to Lucid Dreaming is that people think, "Hey I can just photoread this, go to sleep and wake up with full conscious comprehension and do no work." You HAVE to get your mind fully engaged and make it curious to find the information you need through activation - there is no magic formula of using Lucid Dreaming instead of activation.
I would suggest focusing more on using the system as much as possible rather than devoting all of your energy to Lucid Dreaming. As Alex said above, the only way you can get faster is by using the system.
While I have had many dreams involving the material I phtoready, I do not rely on it to get an "A+" on a test or anything like that. It is simply a way to get more in depth with the material and give your inner mind more time to play around with it.
Furthermore, when you're focus is on grades alone (a big problem with our modern education system, in my opinion) you might get tense, feel you need to see results and not relax and get curious with the book.
Learn the system by playing with it, I think that is some of the best advice to follow. Scheele always writes/says that PR-ing is full of paradoxes; to get the most out of the system you have to be easier on yourself and "let go."
You can get a fair bit of activation insights from your regular dreams. Keep a journal.
Alex.
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No work? There's work to even lucid dream activation, and many have discovered it's often a lot more difficult to get to a good point with lucid dream activation than it is with simple normal activation in your waking state.
Lucid dreaming is a wonderful way to get depth on a particular subject or story. It allows you to literally feel what a book has to offer.
-youngprer
Another thing, when you do become lucid many times you will forget what you wanted to do, and instead fly or do something you would not do while awake. I know from my expierence, the last thing i want to do in a luicd dream is to manual activate a book.
-Benny
If you go to sleep with the intention of having a dream that will involve a book you PhotoRead and record your dreams you can notice that your mind does the learning. But you need to record your dreams.
Alex.
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Once you've photoread the books on healing you will find that most tell you creative visualization techniques. You need to work with your mind and see healing in small stages much like a building construction. You can progress a lot faster than than the natural healing cycle. Aiming for an overnight cure is extraordinarily difficult because it's hard for the conscious mind to believe. So you build it in stages, a percentage stronger or more mobile.
Do the visualisation exercises before falling asleep, don't wait for dreams to work on it.
Since this is really off topic continue it in the Beyond Human forum if you have further questions or comments about self healing using visualization.
Alex