Hi!

I’ve been trying out the Holosync program for about 5 weeks now. It’s not enough to give a proper validate of the course for me yet, but I would like to share my experiences since I know learningstrategies has sent a special Centerpoint offer to all the members.

When I started meditating at first I got bored very quick and decided to try out the Holosync. When I started listening I could instantly feel I was going deeper and deeper and I often felt a sleep. However I cannot say YET that all the Holosync “promises” has taken place- they haven’t. (But as I mention I’ve only used it for 5 weeks or so)

The most amusing thing I find with the Holosync is that I’m so much better to do normal meditating, which I now find much more satisfying and pleasuring than only using the holosync. When I do “normal” mediating I can feel the energy go in and through me much more, and sometime I can sense a slight congestion over my head when I’m finished.

Today when I meditated I could feel a VERY good sensation in my spine which still is there (2 hours since I meditate), and I’m wondering if I could have awaken some of the Kundalimi energy. If it is, I find it very strange since I haven’t been meditating a long time. Have anyone any thoughts on this?

It’s strange that Centerpoint doesn’t mention the Kundalimi effect when people experience anxiety, depression and physical pain, but only talks about the “Chaos theory” the brain experiences and the results of the “new- organized” mind that appear subsequent to the Chaos.

Any comments would be appreciated.
Fred

Fred,

It sounds like you may have, but I'm no expert.

FYI ... there IS a Holosync group on yahoo I believe. Do a search on the forum, the exact link was posted.

Always good to keep in touch with other like minded people.

Love and Light

Michael Saikali

There is a Centerpointe forum on ezboard.com.

I have been on Holosync for several months. Prior to that I meditated for over 20 years. Holosync did trigger the kundalini response in me.

My meditations are deeper now and I am calmer in general. It's great. Stick with it. I am.

Not really that strange when you consider it. There is danger is someone trying for chöd and hurting themselves badly in the process. Best to stay on the shallow-end, especially with Wonder Products, and let those who have the talent discover it for themselves.

It's easy to believe, assuming the graphs are real, that Holosync leads to brain-balancing and a state of mental clarity. It's difficult to believe that Holosync leads to a quasi-mystical force uncoiling in the root of your spine.

I agree Kaiden. I would rather use bio feedback. It teaches you how to go into the state and how to go into the state on your own without any mechanical help after that when you are able to.

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Thanks for all the comments. I’m not sure if everyone got my central message completely, but my emphasis should have been that I find “normal” meditation more valuable to me than listening to the Holosync audio now. What Holosync gave me was the ability to quiet myself much faster and to get deeper into state, when doing “normal” meditation, after using the audio for some weeks.

There’s no normal meditation techniques of course,- but as you all have guessed I mean meditating without the use of technology.

I do not practice Qigong but learning and performing Pranic Healing,- but I love this forum as it seems that many are very eager to talk and discuss the art of healing and meditating. However Qigong is one method of healing and Pranic Healing another,- but essentially they offer the same possibilities.

I’m just curios, but how do Qigong handle certain issues. Is it by intuition, scanning or do you have specific guidelines to each health problems, how to treat the Charkas involved or causes the problem? In PR there are procedures for most alignments, which charkas to treat, color to use, etc (based on clairvoyants observation) but also the use of scanning to determine the condition and possible “intuitive” actions that may be the better way..

Best loving regards
Fred

Aloha Fred,

I'm glad you are having success in your work.

Your original post is more appropriate for a Holosync forum, or brought up in the Beyond Human Forum, as it is more of an open-ended forum. A majority of the participants of this forum visit that one as well. Actually, I was told today that Hale Dwoskin will be in the cities next month and is planning to visit Learning Strategies.

The healing in Spring Forest Qigong begins with detecting blockages with the hand. Later trainings develop the third eye and detecting through auditory, imagery, and visual modes.

It aligns with the energetic systems of TCM, as well as healing of one's emotional and spiritually aspects.

Master Lin always comments about us Americans being a "recipe" culture and his basics in healing others are presented in this way, then expanded beyond such linear routines.

Enjoy your Pranic Healing work.

Much Love, Shawn

Aren't you getting Hale Dwoskin (of Sedona Training Associates) confused with Bill Harris (of Centerpointe)?

Isn’t mediation a very important concept in Spring Forrest Qigong?

I’m sorry for not being clear enough once again. I would only share my experiences with the Holosync,- that for healing purposes my point of view for this program does not do the “trick”, as for helping to connect with the universe and to receive divine energy just by listening to it. In Pranic Healing we learn that through meditating we gain peace, understanding, better physical/mental health but also the ability to heal better and faster, due to the advancement of the whole energy system (In general).

When performing “normal” meditation, I call upon protection, help, guidance and illumination. I activate my heart and Crown, humming a mantra and receive divine energy which I literally can feel during and after meditation. How could this possible be achieved just by listening to some audio as Gallan previously comment in an earlier post.

I don not want to criticize the Holosync at all, just to mention that I do not think at all it can replace “normal” mediation,- if your goal is to expand your awareness, advance the charkas, cleanse the aura and therefore also to be better to receive and send healing energy through you.

I guess and know most of you already know or understand this much better than me, and I just would like to inform or re-inform my fellow traveler who may want to buy the program, that I think and believe after my first hand experiences with the holosync, that it cannot replace the intending, silent, praying and the illuminating art of “normal” meditation which has been practiced for thousands of years.

However I can only talk from my experiences undoubtedly, and not from all the others who seems to love the Holosync Program.

Best loving regards
Fred

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Aloha Shr33m (Eddie),

Thank you for noticing that. It is Hale from the Sedona Method who's coming down next month for a book signing(must be the reason we got one as a gift...my brain is slowly coming back since Mondays -I guess birthdays are a little unsettling.

I'm surprised I equated Hale with Center Pointe, as we get quite a few calls saying they received a flier and want to talk with Bill. Of course we have a Bill on staff which makes such transfers fun. Sometimes people think we're both the same company, and explaining the whole "endorsing" concept is tough for some to get a grip on.

ftaas01: Thank you for trying to clarify your post, as the initial one occurred to many as sharing a Holosync experience, thus all the replies looking to assist you in finding a more appropriate space. That was very kind and thoughtful of them.

Meditation is an integral part of Spring Forest Qigong, as is breathing and body movements/ postures.

Master Lin would say to focus on what the Pranic Healing offers, and after you've spent a long time with it, then see what other systems like SFQ have to offer. Consider concentrating and growing in your foundation, rather than having it diluted with other avenues right away.

Much Love and a great weekend, Shawn

Fred,
I, too, experienced similar effects when experimenting with Binaural Beats. As for kundalini- I think that you should recognize the reality of your experience and not invoke this or that name to explain it: when meditation, although not really "energy-work" meditation, is carried to a natural conclusion certain understandings will be disclosed to you: the question then of physical sensation will not arise. When eating, as the Zen masters say, just eat. When meditating, just meditate. Your "physical symptom" may happen but it is not important: it assumes importance when you give it importance, because the "you, or the aspect of you" which does the giving is the creator and destroyer of said symptom. Therefore, pay no heed and continue.
Jesus Said, "Be Passerby"

Kristoff "Dr.Faust" Olafsson

I think you are seeking, looking for the quick answer. I have used Holosync's for a long time now & with patients you will find the 'quiet' I think you are really seeking. I also use Qigong for its health benefits & this too you need time to realise its full potential. I have been practicing & teaching Raja Yoga for 22 years now & find that people seeking the yoga or meditation 'experience' are young soles looking for answers. Stick with your meditation & use Holosync's & Qigong to enhance your life. Live a pure life have pure thoughts, eat pure foods & do nice things without wanting to be repaid. This will in time give you a bountiful life to enjoy.
Om Shanti.

Thanks for your respond Angel? Anyway I have to say that I’ve partly stepped away from the Holosync, due to my pleasant experiences using the meditation techniques taught by Master Choa Kok Sui, - the founder of Pranic Healing and Aratic Yoga. After doing the “meditation on the twin hearts” taught by him, you truly feel blessed and exhilarated while and after the meditation, and it also provides you with a greater hearth and crown chakra – therefore being more loving and arisen your consciousness. This you can more or less experience immediately or after few times. –It’s just fantastic. Master Choa also reveals a tecnique and a spiriual way wich normally people can arhive sandhi(soul realization) much quiker than any other tecnique that has been taught -So the master says anyway...

The thing I do not like about the Holosync is that you have to go through chaotic and difficult times during the singular program cycles. And why don’t they write anything about the Kundalimi energy. The symptoms as they describe them while having these “chaotic” times, - are the same symptoms that are experiences by mediators that hasn’t been prepared to awaken this energy. There are 47 levels of the Kundalimi energy and if you’re not ready spiritually and physically to release the energy, you’re ahead of some hard times. And if the Holosync should work as a substitute for “normal” mediation, why don’t they say anything about preparing the body with physical exercises before the downpouring of spiritual energy which could cause contamination and congestion. – Do they now anything about meditation at all? It’s like pouring new coffee into and already filled cup with old coffee- This could manifest as physical and emotional issues.

Maybe you can answer this question, since you are practicing both Raja Yoga and the holosync. – Are the chaotic times caused due to the Kundalimi or the brain which can’t handle the input like Centerpoint tell?

I’m surprised to hear that you say that you find that people seeking the yoga or meditation 'experience' are young soles looking for answers. I would believe the people searching for answer are souls that aren’t satisfied and can identify the hopelessness which the religion offers and the world present situation. People with “old” souls don’t take thing for granted and just acknowledged and living out this “hell” that they’re living in. They want change and they search for answer because they have an inner wisdom and their hearth is telling them something is just not right or fulsome.
Truly wisdom comes from within not from without.

I would really like your comments Angel, because these are only my word of wisdom, and I’m not an experiences “spiritual seeker” of this incarnation however, like you!!

Best loving regards
Fred

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To ftaas01: I see it's been awhile since the last posting here, but I'm new to this bulletin board. I'm moved to write because of two things you said. One is the kundalini energy. I experienced that doing Spring Forest Qigong. It doesn't seem to get talked about much in here, but Master Lin mentioned it in the class I attended in July. He called it "Life Energy" I believe, but it was obvious what he meant. Some folks were worried about it, and asked him what to do. He smiled and said, "That's a GOOD thing - - it's Life Energy! But if you really don't want it, you can use meditation to change it to Wisdom Energy."

This energy work is pretty amazing!

The second thing you said that stood out for me is: <<I’m surprised to hear that you say that you find that people seeking the yoga or meditation 'experience' are young soles looking for answers. I would believe the people searching for answer are souls that aren’t satisfied and can identify the hopelessness which the religion offers and the world present situation.>> In my opinion, it's a fine and good thing to be a seeker, and to be looking for answers. Not to be a "bargain shopper" and just jump around all the time, but to honestly seek answers, is a good thing.

Keep up your meditation practice and your journey.

With love,
Anita

Hi Anita, and thanks for your replay.
The kundalini can be a wonderful effect and energy when prepared for it, - but if you’re not ready for it spiritual and physical you can experience many different unpleasant occurrences, - many have referred to physical and emotional issues – like: nothing seems to work right for you, insomnia, weakening of the body, health problems in general and more. And as you said Anita, the energy can be transmuted into higher wisdom, creativity, love and more. Although what I’ve written, comes not from me but from others who has encountered kundalimi syndromes, both good and the bad characteristics.

To seek for answer is a good thing alright! – the passion we have is the force that drives us to experience different sides of our being!

Best loving regards
Fred

I’m glad this post has been revisited. I guess I am compelled to offer my 2 cents worth. There are people that are just beginning to learn about meditation and what it is all about. In my mind this is a perfect tool a blending of technology and spirituality to help the beginner on the path. Ftaass01, I think you are absolutely right nothing beats the real thing but the tool is still there. For the beginner and can provide them with a starting point a glimpse of where they can go. I think that for the novice or experienced this tool can be put away as the novice begins to find the blissful path on there own. One could reach a point where the program would hold you back but from deeper levels. There are times where this tool could still be used when things are scattered ect or unbalanced and relaxation and focus is elusive. This tool could be used to get you to a point then you move on.

With regards to kundalini well the caution needs mentioning and with any luck the inquisitive will be cautions or investigate further and set there goals accordingly. A foundation needs to begin somewhere and Holosync provides this but caution is necessary for those that are new. I’m no expert (my disclaimer) but this has been my take on this since I dabbled in it some years ago.

Ultimately you are following your heart and that is what counts. I like what Anita said about the “bargain hunter” mentality something I have subscribed too but try to correct often. If you have found your nitch in pranic healing then stick and grow with it. Or as Master Lin states give it the time it deserves (my version) and then try something else. Don’t mix the modalities.

Much light to you on your journey.