I have been studying Neurolink and NET and wanted in the near future to have my own practice. I understand about distance healing as I have been treating people for about 18 months using my mind and have watched people get better.(Not that they teach that, I just woke up with the thought one day that using your mind would be just as affective, I tested it out on my family and it was true). Qigong is a huge amount of knowledge to add to my own, which I am so grateful for.

Anyway, I want to treat people physically, though I find that harder than mentally as it is much slower. Master Lin talks about not asking for anything in return when you treat someone. Should I just charge for the NET and Neurolink but not charge for the Qigong. Qigong supercedes a lot of the knowledge I already have and it would probably be the biggest part of the healing session.

Master Lin charges doesn't he for treating people? Or is my problem that he has to have trained us personally in Qigong to be able to use it professionally. It is so easy to do. This morning I was working on my daughter before anyone woke up, she has been suffereing with bad period pain that for some reason I haven't been able to get to the bottom of. I put the energy in the middle dantien instead of lower, she just woke up and said her lower pain was gone but she had this massive pain in her upper abdomon. I sat here in my computer chair and just did sword fingers and cleared that out mentally. She said she felt better but when I put energy back in she felt the pressure again, she said it was like her stomach was going to explode. I pulled the energy back out and didn't put anymore back in. She is fine now. I will work on that whole system later.

Do you understand what I am getting at. I don't want to sound money hungry for wanting to charge but I would so much love to have my own practice, it has been my dream for so long. I will still always treat people for free every night and morning.

What do you think?

Smiles
Jenny

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This is a good question, and one I haven't seen on the forum before.

I don't have the answers but I'll share some of my thoughts.

First I believe the main idea of "not expecting anything in return" is fundamental. It is the BEST in the good, better, best in your attitude for helping people. If you come from a place of love your giving is unconditional... including payment. Maintaining this mentality, is something I believe is most valuable in advancing your own energy and increasing the effectiveness of any energy you direct. So if you want to be the Best SFQ healer you can be, then I believe you must live completely with this belief.

Now the dilema, if I'm able to help people and would want to I must spend time preparing and doing it. However, I have mine and my family's needs to attend to. I can hear that voice in the back of my head saying, "do good, and trust in the universe to do good for you". Perhaps when I've truly master SFQ it voice be a voice, but a deeply held belief.

As for charging for it, there is no strict rules. However, Master Lin (maybe with the new SFQ Guild) are developing a something like a practitioners certification (Shawn will correct the title). The are conditions for obtaining this; things like completing all levels, maybe a time of practice at SFQ, maybe certain things that must be demonstrated, but definitely a week-long (I believe) practicuum with Master Lin, where you will or will not recieve your certification (or whatever it is called). This isn't an attempt to regulate the practice, but an early attempt to give potential clients a way of differentiating between someone how has done the levl I course for a month (not that time is an indicator of ability) and someone that has demonstrated ability to the Master of the system. It's just from the outside, there is currently the master Master Lin, his one student recognized as having attained mastery Master Nance, and then all the rest of the students lumped together.

To sum up my beliefs, I don't know of any reason that's you can't charge for the services you provide. However, I can think of a few reasons why you might choose not to charge. Finally, there is some effort being made to help people who wish to acquire the benefits from a SFQ practitioner.

After that last statement, I have to say that it's no small matter that Master Lin is willing to teach his system, and that he has been willing to embrace such non-traditional teaching practices. Thank you Master Lin, from at least one student who doesn't live in the Minneapolis area.

SilverStar you are perfection,
Iam2

I would also like to add to the above posts that you need to be sure to check your state and local laws regarding this type of healing work, too. In some states, simply touching someone with your hands is considered "massage" (whether it is or isn't) and unless you have a massage therapy license (and the proper schooling), they can arrest you if you're charging for the healing. In others, I've heard they'll slap you with a "practicing medicine without a license" charge for your efforts.

Working for free "frees" you in many ways, not the least of which is the joy of "freely" sharing your healing gifts.

Hi,
Master Lin's purpose regarding a healer in every family answers part of this. SFQ is meant to take home and help others. Family, and friends, or whatever, stemming from those relations.
Teaching professionally is different. If you are qualified, you can of course, charge money. Healers should be able to make a living too.

Currently, my understanding is that SFQ offers a "guide" program, with the requirement of level I and II and prerequisites. From there, I believe you have to be 'invited', to be a student. This is not a political or academic process, but rather a level of practice accomplishment, level of being accomplishment. Master Lin can see the level one is at.

You shouldn't be declaring anything professionally regarding SFQ, if you don't get certification through the program. You could get away with it, but it would be disrespectful, and lower the standards Master Lin wants to regulate. As Jeanne says, there are legal concerns about what and how you do and say things. These are covered in the guide program.

It is great that you are having such success helping others. This doesn't make you a qualified qigong instructor. There is much more to qigong than healing work. The meditation side is a big part, as well as your understanding of active qigong. Healing and healing work is a part of the picture.

I had a conversation with an advanced assistant to Master Lin. At that time of this conversation, the expected self practice of someone in line to teach, was four hrs a day. I would assume most of that self practice involving meditation.

Keep up the good work helping people. It is wonderful you have a gift for it. Be patient, humble, and practice, practice, practice. If you want to teach, you can pursue that in the 'best' way , as offered through the SFQ program.
love,
gallen

Thanks for the clarification gallen. I have to admit I didn't commit to memory the "guide" program information (and I couldn't find it for the post), since I'm a ways from you guys.

Although recently I've been thinking I should be trying to get out for the level IV retreat, this year. I'll wait a while longer and see.

I didn't recall that the guide program was by invitation. I remembered something about the guild membership, but wasn't sure if it was a requirement, or if it was just the guild was working with Master Lin to develop the guide program.

I've felt the desire to share SFQ, but have always just left it at a lending of my material. However, the thought of instructing has passed over my mind on occaision. Passing through the guide program and basically getting Master Lin's stamp of approval would be welcomed, before I were to actually do it.

You are perfection,
Iam2

Hi Iam2,
The "instuctor" training , I believe is by invitation. The "guide" program is just a sign up to take the course, hence, I would guesstimate a large number of guides down the road. I think the position of instructor or teacher, however it will be called, is and will be a more accomplished position.
Being invited to be an instuctor, is probably one in the same as becoming a private student. -g

hope you dont mind if i butt in, I am from Chippenham in England I teach Tai Chi and Qigong, In this Country we Have to have a certificate to Teach Proffessionaly and for insurance as well. I am also a Reiki Master Teacher,and have a diploma in Qigong massage of which i have the various Certificates,
You can heal your friends with no money passing hands but you cannot practice on clients for money until you have been certified in that particular subject.It would be good if we could have long distance courses ie over the internet it would be good to hear from any one from England
Love and light Geoff.

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Thanks guys for your response and understanding where I was coming from. I will soon have a certificate in Neurolink and you are able to touch people's bodies with this course. I have found neurolink amazing in one area but not in others. Neurolink is finding the organ and neuralpathways that aren't functioning and switching them back on. The only problem is, if it is caused by emotional problems, when they leave the office they can just switch it back off again, which is pointless really. So I have studied NET which is finding the emotional reason for switching it off in the firstplace and getting them to release the chemical trapped in the cell.

I meditate for 1 to 2 hours every day and have been for 4 and a half years. I spend about 1 to 3 hours a day healing others, mostly my family as I have 90 immediate family (brothers, sisters, and their children etc) I'm not saying this to bignote myself, I just want to show you where I am at.

So I could treat people in a practice with my certificate skills and then at night, because I think Qigong is far more superior, I could treat them with Qigong while I meditate. Do you think that would work? The only problem I have is that I kind of want the patient to know that Qigong is what is really amazing, not Neurolink, if they know it is Qigong they would be more likely to pursue it themselves, that way they can heal themselves in the future. I want to teach them how to fish....

Its not really the money that is pushing me in that direction, but you do need money to run a business, like rent etc. If I find another way to make money I would quite happily run a free practice. I can't really treat people here at home cause I have six children and we are a bit squashed here, and also it gets a bit messy here sometimes and I feel embarrassed.

I have been treating people for so long now and haven't been able to talk about it before or ask questions cause there was no one to ask. I have taken people to the Naturopath who does NET here in Penrith and he knows I can lift peoples issues cause he would find an issue and I would automatically lift it before he even had a chance to treat the issue. He would say, whats going on, the issue is gone. So I told him I could lift them. He believes me but he doesn't know what to make of it.

He had some homeopathic remedies and they are just vibrations so they are so easy to duplicate with your mind. He was telling me how he had a machine that makes the remedies. I asked him if I could try something. He gave me a clear bottle and with my mind I changed it to "Alergy Remedy' he tested it with his machine and it had changed. lol. His jaw nearly dropped to the ground. Then he asked me to change it back, so I did. It was really funny actually. He rings me now to treat people that he can't get to the bottom of the problem. I can't always fix them though because people have their free will and if they want to be negative, there really isn't anything you can do about it.

Thank you so much for letting me express myself. I feel like you understand me. I have felt like I haven't belonged anywhere. I was just some weird fruit cake.

The thing that I love most about my gift is watching people's attitudes change. I love watching people go from cranky and annoying to kind and considerate. Most people don't really want to behave that way, they just don't know how to change it. So I give them a helping hand for a while and then let them go it alone. Treating children is even easier than adults. They are so quick to help.

Thank you again all you wonderful people.
Love and Smiles
Jenny

Another question, how come Master Lin can charge to help people and it still works for him? Is it because he has already grown so much that it won't inhibit his growth. Or is there something else I don't understand.

Thanks
Jenny

Hi Jenny,
I don't see how you equate making a living to limiting your spiritual growth. It would be like saying that teachers, musicians, and artists, should all work for free, because what they do and what they offer can have a spiritual aspect, or be something special. Or anyone for that matter, self aware, or on a spiritual path, or having a spirit and soul.
Making money limiting that self growth? I don't think so. How one goes about making money, intentions, yes, but not making money in and of itself.

It would be nice someday, to see a hospital someday with a qigong clinic in it. That takes integrating it into business and society. Accupuncture is doing well that way. How weird would it be, if accupuncturists didn't charge for their service. Some of them are very energy oriented, spiritual people. They are providing alternative health care for people, and their presence in the community, via clinics( physical buildings, etc.), that aren't free to set up and run, or marketing to make people aware of the choice...
In business, there is a right way and wrong way to do it, regarding what's right and wrong, like everything else. It doesn't mean you have sold out and limited your self growth, if you run a business.

I am sure with many professional healers, Master Lin included, they do not turn people away, if they can't afford a session. Making money allows for growth, accessibility, integration into society... on a personal level, it allows one to do what they do, and focus on it, immerse into it...
It is a mixture of trying to make it a feasible profession, doing it in a healthy model or paradigm, making it more available to society, getting it out there.... lots of things..
On a personal level, in reference to spiritual growth, that growth still happens. Many people leading the pack, bringing great abilities and methods to the fore front, are pioneers. They are observing the phenomina they are involved in, learning as they go, I'm sure, marvelling at the synchronisties, often perhaps a spectator marvelling at the wonders behind a purposeful life, purposeful work.
love,
gallen

Hi Jenny:

You know, I really sense that if you're priorities are right (and from what I can see, you have a good handle on them), a way will be provided for you to get the type of certification training (if that is necessary where you live) that would make it quite viable for you to be paid for your Qigong healing, as well as your other healing services.

As professionals in any healing arts, we need to understand that we are providing a service, that while it may not have a physical manifestation, such as sweeping a floor or flying a jet, still provides value to people. We still have bills to pay, families to feed, and need a place to live (and sometimes we need office space as well, and that is not given to us, in most instances, for free). Money is a medium of exchange of value - nothing more. You provide money - others provide value to you. Vice-versa as well.

You also have what is termed a "hot-market" because of all the family members you have for whom you do Qigong healing. Perhaps you don't charge them, as family, however, if they are aware of the service you are providing for them, I'm sure each and every one of them would be pleased to spread the word about any and all of your healing services.

So if your other healing services are in demand, and you are then able to build your healing practice, you will eventually have the funds to travel wherever it takes to acquire the full certification for the Qigong as well. I do not see impediments there, and would suggest you can also facilitate this for yourself by seeing that clear path ahead of you.

Which leads me to offer an answer regards when you feel your clients have "turned off" the healing you have provided when they leave your office. Perhaps it would be permissible (and highly desirable), while doing the healing, for you to "suggest" to them that the emotional problem behind the chemical imbalance has also been released, and will stay released, because their mind will now find better ways to handle the situations that might be triggering any negative chemical reactions. Give a good listen to how Paul Scheele uses this kind of language on his paraliminals for guidance here. The best suggestion I can make is to keep all "suggestions" framed from the positive side - no negatives.

It is a growing certainty that the healing professions who encourage their clients with positive suggestion do much more good than those who ignore that tool. Even a doctor prescribing a medication will have a much greater healing impact on his/her patient if they provide the suggestion of the benefit of the medication, along with the medication.

This was not meant to lecture you, but to encourage you to move forward on this. I hope you will understand that. I think what you want to do is just wonderful, and I wish you every success in your endeavours, because of your honest and positive approach to your healing abilities and love in your heart for everyone.

Cheers!
Unis

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Thank you everyone for your answers and ideas. I do feel so much better about my goals again. Most of my family don't know that I am treating them, some of them would think I had completely lost it or something, ahhh fear of the unknown. Four of them know and ring me often to treat this or that. (Most of them live 1000km from me). I am just so grateful to you all for your responses. It has been so hard all this time feeling like I had to keep everything a secret.

I really do see and understand all that you have said to me.

Thank you again
Love and Smiles
Jenny

Hi, Siverstar,

I am surprised you can already use SFQ for healing. It sounds so good.

I order SFQ level 1 & 2 but hasn't arrived yet. I read the book "born a healer" and can feel the effect of sword finger in my palm. I am in very good general good health and I want to learn SFQ not only for myself. I always think it's good that I can help other people.

I have got a very close friend and his Mum got cancel a few years ago. She has done operation but re-occured laterly. It is sort of in advance stage and doctor didn't recomend operation and other treatment. Bascially she is waiting to die. She got a stroke last month and can't walk now. I gave my friend an e-book of "Born a healer" and told him about this forum but he does not seem to be interested. His Mum is a lovely person and has helped me a lot before. She is in Hong Kong and me and my friend are in Australia. I really want to help her but not sure how can. I don't want to see her dies painfully. I saw my Mum died when I was a teenager and saw may mother-in-law died of cancer. I know how painful can it be. I am planning to visit Hong Kong at the end of this year. Do you think there is enough time for me to learn something to help her. I don't mean to cure her but just at least reduce her pain.

I am in level 1 of Holosync for about 5 months now. I want to go to level 2 but I spend the money on SFQ and may need to wait for a while for next level Holosync. Do you think Holosync & SFQ can work hand-in-hand? Or should I spend all the resouces in SFQ?

Hope you don't mind so many questions. I am just new and can't find other people to talk to about those things.

Love,

Littleboat

Hi Little Boat, I think you should just concentrate on SFQ for now. Keep doing the level of the HS that you are up to, you won't have anymore issues to lift at that level but it will still keep you feeling balanced.

You have a lot of blockages in your heart from your Mum and watching your friends Mum go through the same thing is reactivating those issues with a very strong energy. There's hardly anything in your other organs to do with your Mum's passing. I just lifted all the surface ones for you but there will be more come up over the next few days. I'll check you tomorrow.

As for helping your friends Mum. As you say you aren't looking for a cure for her, and I'm not sure how to help without making her live longer, and then maybe prolong the agony. I don't know enough about Qigong yet but I know there is a point where the body has been too damaged to have recovery. Master Lin talks about an experience where a boy had died even though he had treated him. The body was too damaged. I can't remember off the top of my head whether the Qigong helped him have less pain and discomfort. Someone else may know the answer to that.

My Mum's friend had parkinsons for quite a few years and so I treated her every day for about 2 months. She had to go to the specialist to start some medication and it was inbetween seeing the doctor and the specialist that I had treated her. Well the specialist asked her what she was doing there and she said, because I have parkinsons. He said, no you don't and sent her on her way. I stopped treating her and a few months later the symptoms started to return. I don't know if I was just holding off the inevitable but I hadn't tried Qigong on her. Anyway she is practising a form of Qigong herself and Mum said she hasn't looked that good in ages.

Does anyone have any experiences where they treated people with Qigong who had a severe illness?

Love and Smiles
Jenny

Aloha littleboat,

Place your friend's "mum" in the weekly group healing list. You'll find the post named: 1/28/06 Group Healing.

Aloha Gallen,

Artists getting paid for their work-what is the world coming to?

Aloha Jeanne,

Spring Forest Qigong is a non-touch form.

A friend, Diane Miller, Attorney (and SFQ student), created and helped pass Minnesota Statute 146A: Complimentary and Alternative Health Care Freedom of Access Act. If anyone's state hasn't adopted similar legislation, this is really helpful for those looking for quality alternative health care, and those able to provide it. One can check out the bill at:
http://www.minnesotanaturalhealth.org/index.htm

Aloha SilverStar,

Good question. I don't know what your local laws will allow you to put out there, since you are not a certified Spring Forest Qigong Practitioner. Charging is just an exchange of energy, as

Does it work to say there is a wonderful healing modality they can learn and use as followup/maintenance after working with you?

Aloha All,

The Guide program was set up to give practitioners a more thorough background into SFQ and the Level I and II work, so they can give "introduction" sessions to SFQ, or lead a group through the home study course. It was a wonderful class, and is currently being "honed" for future trainings.

The Instructor Training course, which is currently in development, will take applications and be by invitation only. Level I-IV and Guide Program completion will be mandatory. This will be intensive work, as the level of healing ability, understanding of energy, the body, Spring Forest Qigong, and Qigong history, will need to be high for Master Lin to give SFQ's "stamp of authenticity."

I'm not going to go into "How much meditation a serious student needs to do" here. One can do Spring Forest Qigong 24-hours a day and not have to be a monk, however geting to the Level expected in the Instructor Training, will require some diligence, time in meditation (I'm not talking Holosync), and purification of energy/spirit, which Master Lin can see.

Chunyi talks about how people get so caught up in "technique." That's where certification becomes more of a challenge from his perspective -Spring Forest Qigong's work is from the heart. There are a lot of very good "Qigong Scholars" out there that can talk the talk, and walk you through a thousand exercises, but haven't really done the work to a be at an energetic, emotional, and spiritual place to truly "teach" the work.

More than the wonderful exercises and mediations in the Level I -IV courses, and Born A Healer book- what's simply said throughout the Level I course and written at the end in "Discover the Beauty of Life," is where its at.

Thank you all for the wonderful dialogue.

Much Love, Shawn

Shawn, thanks for the info! I have Level II but haven't started it yet. I do teach and practice Reiki, which can be either hands-on or hands-off, which is how I learned that in some states, to practice some of these hands-on types of energy work, you must have a license from a massage school.

Siverstar,

Thanks for your advice and checking on me. I normally have a walk by myslef for about half an hour after lucnh. Yesterday I was in tear while walking alone. I don't remember what was I thinking about and I am not sure was it related to what you did. I am not gernerally emotional and it is sort of quite for what happened yesterday. Please let me know if you find out more about me.

Shawn,

Regarding to group healing, I am not sure how my friend thinks about it. Can I just put his Mum's name in without letting him know? Or is it better to get him to agree first?

Love,

Heidi

Aloha littleboat,

First off, its an invitation, and on the soul level, everyone wants to heal. It has nothing to do with her son.

Go ahead and put her in the list. If you don't think she'd be uncomfortable having her 1st name, location, and issue being listed in the "names list," then just invite her in when you participate in the group healing and visualize the people sitting in the chair.

Everyone who's reading this will consciously or other-than-consciously remember her when they participate on Saturday, so she's actually already taken care of.

Much Love, Shawn

Thanks,Shawn and everyone. I am sure she will get the benefit from your love.

Love,
Littleboat

Hi Shawn, thank you for your advice and everyone else also. I have taken it all on board.

Hi Little boat, sorry about the overflowing emotions, its just a part of releasing them. When I lift for people I always get them to take on what they can handle and I'll take on the rest. It use to wipe me out sometimes but it doesn't seem to affect me anymore. Only when I go into a crowd of people, but the more you lift for others the stronger you get.

The other night I went to the pictures and I held my hands in that circle position that stops people taking your energy. It really worked. I felt fine after being in the crowd, first time in over a year.

My husband has been doing the shopping because I get too wiped out.Does anyone know if there is another way? Would just imagining your hands like that work as well because you need your hands to shop. I haven't experimented because I haven't wanted to sacrifice my strength for the day.

Thank you all for sharing your knowledge

Love and Smiles
Jenny