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I think you grossly underestimate the power that Dogma has in relation to the life of the average person. While it is true that almost every scientist would love to have that Nobel Prize, everyone also silently agrees on what is acceptable and what is not.

Discoveries that lie outside of the prescribed "acceptable" paradigm are simply not allowed to see the light of day and many a career has been destroyed for refusing to heed this unsaid warning. Science has largely become the new religion of man, with the scientist/doctor now playing the role of the priest. They are the new oracles who provide us with the answers we are unwilling to look for on our own.

Why have we never heard about healing cancer, free energy, paranormal abilities, non polluting energy sources? Because science as an institution is about politics. its all about where the money is, where the control is, and there is no money to be made in free energy or healthy people. It is no different than when the church so fanatically tried to rid the world or paganism in all its forms. Unrestricted knowledge becomes power in the hands of those who understand and are willing to use it.

Science as it exists today will never admit openly to any paranormal ability because science despises the idea of creation. Man's place in the universe is so infinately small yet he parades around as if he were its master. The scientist must stop assuming he already knows when he is supposed to be "looking to find out".

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Dear Lord_Shandor, (I love that name!)

I appreciate your thoughts, and the great opportunity which you offer me
to clarify some common misconceptions about science and the mentality of
scientists. I marvel at why this anti-science sentiment seems so prevalent
in our supposedly enlightened society, and it points to the failure of scientists to
connect with the lay-person. Indeed, somewhere, we have failed in our educational
efforts, and some who are less-well-meaning have taken advantage of the
situation to push forward their own agendas. I'm grateful for this venue in this very
small corner of the universe to be able to clarify what science is really all about.

Now, I could easily write a whole book, and others have already done so
(e.g. Carl Sagan), rebutting your accusations against science and
scientists. In the limited amount of time I have, let me just offer my
response to your most biting remark ... that science is now the new
religion, and that scientists, the new priesthood.

Why this analogy completely fails is because religion is based on faith,
authority, and mystical revelation. Rather, science is based on
experimentation, rational thinking, and objectivity. Priests in religious
orders are ordained and accept the tenants of their faith with, well,
faith. Scientists are trained to accept no authority but Nature herself,
and if it sounds like we are "preaching", well, we are actually only
"sharing" what our experiments reveal. You can, with time and energy,
prove to yourself those things which are well understood in science. {Of
course, there are plenty of things which are not so well understood, and
we are studying these things now ... would you like to join in on the
effort? } On the other hand, you can endlessly debate religious (and
other ideological) differences to no satisfying end.

A Jewish physicist may vehemently disagree with her Christian colleague
regarding the deity of Christ, but they will both heartily agree upon the
atomic hypothesis, relativistic quantum electrodynamics, and general
relativity. Why? Not because they've accepted these theories on faith.
But because these theories have been able to account for the workings of
the natural world to a precision of 15 decimal places. That doesn't mean
these theories are "truths" which will never be changed. Indeed, we
already know the weaknesses of our current paradigm and we are working
full speed to take the next step of discovering even deeper theories of
Nature. But our guide is the scientific method of hypothesis,
experimentation, verification, and prediction. And we can only take one
step at a time.

The cornerstone of science is the scientific method, specifically designed
to prevent us from fooling ourselves. Scientists strive to be completely
objective, and we accept only that which has been rigorously examined from
every possible angle. Indeed, in doing good science, the investigator
designs a "null hypothesis" which is specifically constructed to
demonstrate the opposite of the result she is trying to demonstrate, and
she works her very best to satisfy the null hypothesis. That is, the good
researcher is her very own worst devil's advocate, because she is
constantly trying to prevent herself from deceiving herself. The
researcher's own notions about the way the universe works is irrelevant
and should not enter into her interpretation of the results. And she takes
every precaution to remove her own prejudices from the process in order to
ensure as objective an analysis as possible. Only that which survives such
rigorous testing holds merit. Even then, what is discovered is not labeled
as "true" but merely "consistent" with the current hypothesis.

Then, she takes the next step and presents her results to be considered by
her colleagues in the peer-review process. She gives talks, submits
articles for publication, corresponds, consults with other investigators,
and their job is to vigorously challenge her findings. If the results
withstand their scrutiny and appear to hold some merit, they try to
reproduce her results, or to conduct other experiments which would support
or contradict her conclusions. THIS is good science, and the only way we
can build a consistent model of how things work. Believe me, good science
is a lot of hard work and involves an enormous amount of time, energy, and
careful thinking.

The scientific method is also self-correcting. Mistakes (intentional or
accidental) are quickly uncovered and exposed. The most beautiful,
elegant, appealing theory can overnight perish because it does not stand
up to experimental results (e.g. the early ether theory). Likewise,
sensational results of poorly conducted experiments which cannot be
independently verified by others need to be reexamined more critically
(e.g. cold fusion). And, outright fraud is criminally prosecuted (e.g. a
South Korean researcher's recent animal cloning work).

Believe me, researchers are tirelessly working on the problems you list:
cancer, energy-supply, human interaction/ability, and pollution. And
believe me, when someone or some team offers a validated answer to any of
these issues (and many more), and if their paradigms are completely
different than the prevailing ones, there will be a paradigm shift
overnight.

I look forward to our continued discussion, if you are willing. I wish
you the best, and I hope you will be able to wisely discern that which is
worthy of defending.

HF

P.S.

More validly, some scientists accuse other scientists that the
continuation of a particular line of investigation requires religious-like
devotion to it. For example, consider a recent discussion on the SETI
effort:

Of Faith and Facts: Is SETI a Religion?

http://www.space.com/searchforlife/seti_religion_060601.html

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HF,

My experience leads me to side with LS on this one. I have been thinking how to respond when the last two extremely interesting posts defined very eloquently both sides of the science issue.

There is some knowledge that is not ready for public. I don't know if there will every be a time. I actually taught my wife to cloud bust this last week. She has also had success calming the wind and making it more windy by her desire. She told me last night, after 5 days of playing with the weather, "Storm (movie and comic book super-hero from the X-men that controls the weather, played by Halle Berry in the movie) isn't really that impressive."

Michael Shermer from Scientific American and www.skeptic.com has made a living "de-bunking" telepathy, remote viewing, astral travel, etc. However, how different would our view of the universe be if even one of these things had happened even once. The truth is the consciousness of the planet will not allow a non-spiritual person to believe these things. If they did, in fact, witness or experience one of these events, in 24 hours to 7 days, it would be erased from there brain like fog in the sunlight. Or if they did manage to remeber that it actually happpened, the non-spiritual person would rationalize another explanation that makes sense in our generally accepted framework for what is possible.

I have personally performed and experienced many things that could be termed "miracles" and I sometimes fall asleep into my life of bills, responsibilities, to do lists and forget what I am and what I have done. I have spoken with many spiritual seekers who have witnessed miracles more profound than cloud busting and they have seen people with them who saw those same experiences totally forget the experience within one day.

The consciousness of the planet will not let non-spiritual people go where is it not ready for them to be. Only spiritual people who are awake and have enough power can remember and define their own future. The rest of humanity is just running sophisticated programs in their heads that makes them seem aware, but they are not. I once met a man doing psychic work that is accurate about 99% of the time at predicting the future. He told me that he cannot see anything in the future for spirtual people. His hypothesis is that predicting the future is connecting to the Gaia mind. The Gaia mind operates like a giant futuristic computer that runs trillions and trillions of calculations and 99% of time, what is calculated to happen, actually does come to pass. Most peoples reactions to things are automatic. How many of us have emotional reactions to watching the nightly news? How many of us can chose to have no reaction to bad news (or good news).

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I'm a cancer survivor. I chose not to go the science route because it could not guarentee that they can fight the cancer and win. Instead I chose to have the tumer removed and practice yoga, healthy eating, prayer, meditation, tai chi and qi gong. I've been cancer free for 5 years this month. The scientist were screaming at me that if I don't take their scientific treatments that I would die and be dead in 5 years. But still they had no proof that it would cure the cancer and I would live longer than 5 years.

There is so much the mind can do that we could never really know and understand and test everything scientifically. Science can learn about it but it can't know everything about it.


I believe that science can be a form of religion. It can be pushed down someones throat just like any religion. And anyone that doesn't believe in the science is judged as irrational.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

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Dear Coyote,

I wish you and your wife the best in developing Storm-like powers.

By the way, are you aware of magician James Randi's (The Amazing Randi)
offer of 1 million dollars to anyone who can substantiate their paranormal
abilities? Not to imply that you would steep so low as to use your powers
on something as mundane as money. But, you know, in the event of a rainy
day (no pun intended), keep it open as an option. The offer is posted at:

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

(BTW ... in the many decades this offer has been made, no one has won it
yet. At the link, there's a long list of applicants who have tried. I didn't find any
cloud-busters, but there are quite a few psychics. You might suggest this
to your 99% accurate friend.)

Best in your journey,

HF

P.S. I believe someone can be both rational and spiritual. See the
thread about the interview with Sam Harris, someone who is clearly both.
I'd like to think I am, too.

P.P.S. The southwest US is currently dying of drought and devastating
wildfires right now. PLEASE ... they need the powers of you and your wife
desperately!!

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Dear Flowerchild,

I'm glad to hear you are a cancer survivor. I hope you will spend your
gift of extra life promoting peace, harmony, love, and acceptance, even to
us untrustworthy scientists.

I wish you the best in your journey,

HF

P.S. Please forgive those of use who are overzealous about our view of the
universe. In the end, you and I want the same thing: truth. I hope you
will be able to find it in your own way.

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Affecting the weather is not the goal. Just a sideshow on the way to the desired result. Getting caught in the sideshows is another way the darkside knocks spiritual seekers off their intended path.

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Dear Coyote,

Then, I wish you well on your sideshow ... as well as your path

HF

P.S. If the sideshow is not important, why did you start this thread
in the first place? Seems to me like you were inviting an opportunity for
the darkside to knock you off your path. Woops!

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In order for spiritual people to have a positive effect on how life evolves on this planet, as many spiritual people as possible have to be found and started on their journey. I don't think anyone has found a formula for finding this people yet. Those of us on the journey all reach out in our own way to others. If it takes the excitement of dreaming about Storm's powers or Dr. Xavier's to get someone started, then great. It does not mater what motivation you use to start your own journey, ego or love. Ultimately along the way, we all have learn to transcend ego and to love unconditionally. (I do not claim to posses either of these traits but I do practice self-reflection and self-obeservation {see and book by gurdjieff}).

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Dear Coyote,

Peace.

HF

P.S. When you do assemble your team of Storms, please do consider helping
the rest of humanity with your gifts. Even Dr. X and Storm used their
abilities to help others.

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