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Hello everyone I would like people who are into new age philosophies to be careful with promising spiritual techniques. You can read about it on this page: http://kundalini.se/eng/engkni_1024.htmlMany thanks Patrick
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May I counter your warning with this url? http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2JA1DESKXBOSW/ref=cm_plog_apdp/002-4302607-5549618One tiny quote, which might shed some light on kundalini fears: "My gut reaction to the people who write about the terrors of Kundalini, is that they are working through their fears of powerlessness and victimization. If they owned their part in the process and did not blame it on Kundalini, they would tell quite a different story." I do hope you'll read Ms. Howell's entire column on this subject, it's a good column. She also has a CD out that supposedly helps to awaken the kundalini, but I have no idea if it's effective or not. If someone's tried it, let me know? All of that said, I do think people should approach k. awakening carefully. Before beginning any spiritual process but especially kundalini work, ask yourself if you really want your life changed--realize that even positive changes can be traumatic for some!
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May I counter your warning with this url?
Of course you can and I am very happy you did and I will look on the link that you hope me to read.
Not only Kundalini is dangerous but also other "systems". The reason for me wanting to bring this up for discussion is that there are different paths that are more and more popular here in the west like meditation, Reiki, talking to psychic mediums and similar, that instead of bringing happiness to people, brings pain and discomfort.
Me myself believe that it is possible to get possessed by a demon, in a variety of situations, although not everyone thinks so in Europe or the USA.
On the following page you can read about an exchange of letters between a woman and Deepak Chopra where they discuss their experiences of self developmental techniques: http://kundalini.se/eng/chopra.html
The author of books on meditation, Paul Brunton writes the following on this link: http://www.kundalini.se/martinus/preface_brunton.html
In the following link you can read about Qi Gong: http://weber.ucsd.edu/%7Ethall/cbs_qigong.html
A review of a book about spiritual damage: http://www.positivehealth.com/Reviews/books/ashworth76.htm
Here is a qoute from this page: http://www.kundalini.se/eng/engkni_1024.html
(The only way to reach Cosmic Consciousness is to completely conquer one's own lower nature. "Then it comes as an unrejectable and natural organic process, which opens up the individual's latent centres in the brain, and makes him able in his conscious state on the physical plane to be day-conscious as well in the physical as in the psychic or spiritual part of life. Such an experience will come at a time when the individual least has a feeling of it, and not at all considers himself developed enough to be able to get such an experience. It absolutely never comes at a time when the individual considers himself to be enough developed.")
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One of the biggest blocks to cosmic consciousness is fear. Where the attention goes, the energy flows. If you're seeking bad experiences, you'll find them.
Do you by any chance belond to one of those fundamentalist groups that thinks everything but their church is the work of the devil?
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Do you by any chance belond to one of those fundamentalist groups that thinks everything but their church is the work of the devil?
No I donīt. Many people are asking why God allows terrible acts to take place on this planet like the massacre in Rwanda or the huge amount of people that have been tortured through the centuries. If God wanted us to live in peace for all eternity we would live in a paradise but instead we must struggle. We have diseases, wars, bad parents etc. giving us problems. The reason is, that through problems we develop our selves and grow. I believe in karma. That we through karma understand that we must not hurt another person. We get cosmic consciousness after many lifetimes.
What I have written in the lines above, is something that I believe to be an approximate description of how it is. I do not claim that this post is an 100% authentic description of our world.
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[url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A2JA1DESKXBOSW/ref=cm_plog_apdp/002-4302607-5549618
Her language is relatively mild about the negative experiences from Kundalini yoga. From what I have read about Kundalini is that it can bring more harmful consequences than those presented by Kelly Howell.
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Dear ThoMag,
I'm afraid that as far as I can see the links you seem to be getting your information from are either poorly referenced, uncredited or the information is completely decontextualised. There also seems to be a healthy range of subjective, opionated scare-mongering on a couple of the sites, with very negative opinions (unsubstantiated) being cast in the direction of a melting pot of Eastern-isms (e.g. lumping Zen/Kundalini/Tibetan Buddhism/Chinese Medicine etc. all together in an ill-defined, inconsistent and clearly ill-informed way).
I also detect from the links you have sent, a circular frame of reference leading back to "Martinus Cosmology" whatever that is. It appears to be the only positively presented ideology, but seems itself to lack credentials other than some sporadic references to the Bible and otherwise what appears to be a hodge podge of New Age-isms. To be frank, on the link to Deepak Chopra's letter he seems to be the only one on the page who makes any degree of sense. Not very impressive I'm afraid. At the end of the day it is the type of fear that is generated by extreme religious viewpoints and the type of scare-mongering (demons/devils/goblins/the monster under the bed etc.) that goes along with it, which can do much more harm to a person's state of mind and body than any amount of poorly executed breathing or Yoga exercises.
And by the way, not everyone on the planet is a Christian either - and that's ok too. You'll find that people who do end up conforming to a particular religion do so based on how well indoctrinated they have been either in childhood or even later on in life - and it all depends on where they happen to have been born or now live. (I'm sure if you were born in India, you could well have ended up Hindu). Just keep that in mind. Diversity is good. Fear divides and conquers - try not to feed it.
best wishes
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Beware listening to those who think they have a better answer than what your heart and common sense tell you.
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People have been putting down this system of meditation since it began- over 5,000 years. That's nothing new and certainly nothing to bother thinking about NOW. What year is this?
Christ himself was a master of energy, prana, the Holy Spirit etc. He would heal people by moving this energy through them.
This is the meditation that the Self-Realization Fellowship, founded by Paramansa Yogananda, teaches.
Depock Chopra actually DOES this meditation you warn people about.
This just goes to show that humans can take anything, ANYTHING at all and turn it into a scarecrow.
It's just a vain attempt at controlling people by making them afraid.
Luckily, whenever people are warned about something, that actually arouses curiousity in them about it and they give it a shot. Especially if the "preacher" is uptight and negative, they're just begging to be rebelled against, even if only for fun.
These sites make meditation almost seem NAUGHTY, don't they? I don't know what it is, I almost feel like forcing prana up and down my spine more now than ever before. Maybe this will catch on and kids will start meditating to rebel against their parents instead of drinking or smoking or "huffing" or whatever it is they do.
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