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Hi V-man,

My opinions are only my opinions. I may criticize the course, but at the same time I can teel that it has things very valuable to me.

I have meat a couple of really good teachers in my life and mostly I compare Hawkins to them. Hawkins is not a good teacher. But it does not mean he has nothing to teach you, on the contrary. Some of his points of view are very valuable. Learning them just requires more advanced learning skills and ability to rejexct the unessential.






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"Why seek truth from muscle response? I find the idea ridiculous and awkward myself. Hawkins states that you can increase yor own level of consciousness by testing every thing and every person with the muscle test and getting rid of those that get a low rating. Sure. While this may work, I find it too laborious."

Actually raising your level of consciousness on David Hawkins' LOC scale is a bit more involved than the adcopy would have you believe. and it goes beyond muscle testing.

I have studied hundreds of different methods of doing muscle testing before finding methods that I currently use. It is reproducible and enjoys a high success rate. It is intrinsic to applied kinesiology and energy psychology. It's amazing the amount of applications that it can be used for. The technique was developed by Dr. John Diamond and popularized by Dr. Roger Calahan and heavily used by many health practitioners and therapists. Dr. David Hawkins spent over two decades using thousands of test subjects to apply the method outside of the health fields. The phenomenon of the body testing strong on something that is true or that promotes health and testing weak on something that is false or degrades health is nothing short of amazing. You could even use it to save money on buying self-development products and even calibrating an objective numerical value to compare the different products on the market without having to purchase all of them.

Yes, it's true that it's used mostly on the mundane stuff but there is a skill in asking the binary question in the right way and in phrasing it in the most appropriate manner and this is where most people fall short. You also have to check your own energy field for correct polarity and psychological reversal and homolateral energy flow since the energy body is always in flux in response to time-varying inputs and make the necessary corrections. Energy psychologists are familar with these processes.

Dr. Hawkins and others do not feel that muscle testing can be used to predict the future. I would disagree if you know how to ask the question. Look at the work of WD Gann, for example, or cycle theory which demonstrates that future performance can be a function of past information.

You can download a free copy of Dr. David Hawkins' book Power vs. Force at http://rapidshare.de/files/9289587/David_R_Hawkins_-_Power_vs_Force.pdf.html

A few links for those interested in this field:

An Overview of. RESEARCH IN ENERGY PSYCHOLOGY. David Feinstein, Ph.D. http://www.emofree.com/pdf-files/feinstein-research-paper.pdf

EFT http://www.emofree.com/eftmanl.pdf

BSFF http://www.jbennette.com/resources/bsff.pdf http://theamt.com/library/BSFF-FlowchartV2.pdf

TAT http://www.unstressforsuccess.com/free/FREEtatworkbook.pdf

Z-Point Process http://www.zpointprocess.com/resources/Healing.pdf

Complex Instant http://www.herbalcleanse.com.au/manuals/ComplexInstant.pdf

EET http://planet.time.net.my/CentralMarket/tenagadalam/EET.pdf

[This message has been edited by shr33m (edited March 05, 2006).]






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Hi Shr,

Thanks for the comments! You obviously have a very much wider experience on this subject.

I would like to state again that my opinions are only my opinions. I have a strong feling I can get the same information through other channels as well.

I checked the links, and found out that one of them was more interesting than the others, the one explaining muscle testing with middle and index finger. I played with it for a while. (Then my OTC mind got bored with it, like, "why don't you give some real questions to answer?! I won't bother to show any response just to demonstrate it can be done! Find the question!" Obviously the thing is to find right questions and not learning to give a solid response ) Interesting anyway.

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Hi Oxygen
I have posted a reply under topic - Dr David Hawkins regarding muscle testing and course 'The Highest Level of Enlightenment'
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