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#43439 01/02/05 01:37 PM
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how long does it usually take for any of you to rapiod read a book? because to me that seems likes its gunnna take just as long as reading in the convientional way....

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hmm not sure how long it takes me to rapid read. i haven't mastered PR yet, read the PR book a couple times in the past week.
i did rapid read a book-the once and future king, and i did go a bit (1.5 times) faster than what i normally do
i've done speed reading b4, and never was
really good at it. but im thinking that maybe if there was a combo of speed reading at the rapid reading stage plus photoreading plus memorization techniques could be really good.
to me photoreading makes sense, b/c our unconscious is a hundred times more powerful than our consciousness, so rationally i think it's reasonable for the brain to work this way. -no matter how weird that may sound..@_@

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i did notice that my speed has increased, but in the book it doesnt suggest getting into any other states while preparing to photoread, would the accelerated learning help? or maybe just using the Tangerine Effect?

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As explained in the PhotoReading book
Rapid Reading is the last step of PhotoReading it is optional.

It is closest to traditional reading. you start at the front of the book and work your way to the end. Your speed varies according to how familiar you are with the material and how much detail you want to know.

If you did the activation step fully until it gelled then you won't need rapid reading.

For PhotoReading you enter the Accelerative Learning State be sure to state your purpose and affirm your intentions.

The Tangerine Technique for any time you read. People have used it for having more focus when playing sport and it is just as effective for writing.

Alex


#43443 01/04/05 06:27 AM
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alex you are like the dude at this!!
i thought rapid reading was a 'must do' so when u mean gell... u mean processed in the subconsious yeah?

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quote:
Originally posted by limo:
alex you are like the dude at this!!
i thought rapid reading was a 'must do' so when u mean gell... u mean processed in the subconsious yeah?

I find it very difficult to read what you
write. It is like reading another language
and slows me down. I tend to skip certain
contributors because of this.

If English is not your first language,
I assume you are trying to learn it in
the wrong places. I know there are some here
for whom English is not their first language.
It is easier for me to read their comments
because they attempt to write clear English.

Gianni


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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Im only a kid...

im still learning..

better?!


#43446 01/03/05 10:56 PM
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Limo,
I am a PhotoReading Instructor.

Gianni,
Your obsevation and comment raises an interesting observation I have made in teaching people to PhotoRead. I find Those that experience the greatest suffering with learning to PhotoRead shortcut their use of the language. It seems they have poor comprehension with traditional reading as a result and they are the most difficult to motivate when chating with them in MSN because they need to apply activation more to build comprehension. This frustrates them as they feel they are not making progress as fast as others. They need to subvocalise what they read because they normally write using the autitory mode, this means the mind is slowed down to auditory thinking. So it slows down the learning of PhotoReading. And if the language is not the native language but one they want to learn, how does one learn it if one refuses to use it correctly at every opportunity?

Unfortunatly it's a bad habit that make it difficult for us to apply our faster reading skills and slows down their progress because textbooks and books are written in a different language than the one they use for writing, but does it really stop people from wanting to reply?

Alex

[This message has been edited by Alex K. Viefhaus (edited January 03, 2005).]


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quote:
Originally posted by Alex K. Viefhaus:
... but does it really stop people from wanting to reply?

Alex,
I'm only speaking for myself. I make
an effort to read all the posts. Sometimes,
there are certain posts that bother me, more
for their lack of effort to communicate
clearly their thoughts, than their ability
to communicate; so I begin skipping them
after awhile. I would certainly post a reply
if I thought it would help.

As to the rest of your response to me,
I have to defer to your experience. It is
one thing to be the student and another to
be an instructor. When I was a high school
teacher, I learned from my students to see them in an entirely
different light than I would have, had I
not been a teacher. I hear you telling
me there is more going on here than I could
imagine.

The problem of writing well is one for which
I feel great concern. There are many forces
acting against the best interests of the
young. After a certain point, not writing well becomes a barrier. It's hard work and
I think that the message, that writing well matters, should be gotten to everyone sooner rather than later when it may be too late.

I assume that everyone who comes to this
forum has a certain basic education, but
wants to learn more. If there are skills
that need honing like spelling, punctuation,
etc. there is enough clear writing in the
forum for someone to learn from.

There are those who post for whom English
is not their first language. Mostly, they
seem to try to capitalize appropriately,
spell well but sometimes mix up the order
of the words. I have no problem with that.
I think it is great we can allow them a
place to make mistakes in capitalization, spelling and word order. They get better
the more they practice.

If Limo finds what I say troubling, then
he is going to have a more difficult time
later on when it counts more; in college
and when he goes to work. I know from my
own personal experience that my original
command of English held me back. I have
been working on it my whole life.

Anyway, I would help anyone who I felt was
making an effort. I would help them start
if I could, but that is another problem.

Gianni



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