Forums IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ Spring Forest Qigong Is meditating with a frustrated attitude better than not meditating at all?

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Originally posted by Alex K. Viefhaus:
It really goes for all forms of meditation.

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How do you know? Have you studied "all forms of meditation" ??

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Originally posted by Shawn_Grim:
Season's Greetings Nacho,

... Instead, he suggests to find a friend to talk with, don’t close yourself in, and you can also take a walk.

Much Love, Shawn

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If you don't have someone to talk to,
write out your thoughts. This needs to be
done with a pen or pencil because, as it
was explained to me, there is something
going on kinesthetically that doesn't
occur with something like typing.

It is important to keep the pen moving; so
it might go something like this:

"I really don't want to do this. I have to
get some soap for the wash this afternoon.
I can't get another thought. My head seems
to be empty of thoughts. I am really angry
the way my boss treated me today. I am
feeling sleepy. I keep my hand moving.
Tom thumb is getting too big for his britches!
I don't have any more thoughts.
I keep my hand moving. I don't feel like
doing this. I keep my han.. I cannot see the
movie tomorrow night. I keep m... I am tired.
..."

"I keep my hand moving." or some other
thought is to do just that, to keep the
hand moving.

You can break off a thought when another
comes in. You don't need to write out the
whole thought. Just write out the thought
that is going through your head at the
moment.

The final instruction is the most
important part of the exercise; You are
not to reread any of what you wrote. You
are to destroy what you wrote immediately.
The whole purpose of this exercise is to
get these thoughts that are causing you
problems out of your head where they are
just going around in circles and driving
you crazy. If you reread what you have
written, you put the thoughts back in.

Give as much time to this exercise as you
can. The suggested time is two hours. I have
never gone for two hours. I find that I
begin to relax to the point where I can
hardly hold my pen. There may be parts of the
exercise that you will find your anger just
carrying you along; go with it. Write it
all out and it will eventually change.

This is not a writing exercise for writers.
This is to get the thoughts out of your
head that are blocking you.

Do this exercise daily for about two weeks
or you see that you don't need to do it
anymore.
It is also helpful to do it now and then
to clear out the thought blockages.

Gianni

[This message has been edited by Gianni (edited December 15, 2004).]

[This message has been edited by Gianni (edited December 15, 2004).]

[This message has been edited by Gianni (edited December 15, 2004).]

Thankyou very, very much Alex. That was very helpful.

"Nacho I've read many of your post with interest and wonder if you could allow yourself to be less critical of your experiences? You seem to be judging many of your experiences as bad when it's only thinking so that makes it so and it throws you into a loop of getting more of the same. We need to bring more of the emptiness with us into our outer world and one of the things that the emptiness is, is non-judgemental accepting of what is."

I don't think I've ever called any of my experiences "bad" as you put it. I've definitely got stressed out from time to time, but if you think that automatically means I'm looking at things from a negative angle then you've completely misunderstood me. However, that doesn't mean I look at all things from a positive angle either, and I don't. I try to be objective as possible for each event I come across, drawing my own rational conclusions that don't involve the whole world being against me. Of course, when I can't come up with a good reason or explanation I come to you guys. And frankly, I'm a little insulted at the amount of people who have tried giving me advice on my emotional state instead of just answering my question straight-up. There not helpful, and at times strike me as very arrogant.

Seriously, just because I don't post the same cookie-cutter response or topic involving how positively great things are going that shouldn't mean I'm harming myself with bad feelings. Hasn't anyone ever heard of being neutral? Master Lin teaches it in his book.

Well, anyway, that ends my little rant.. for now. I do mean for now because there is a lot of **** on this board that has been bugging me for a while now.

[This message has been edited by Nacho (edited December 16, 2004).]

You're right. The word "bad' is misunderstood and too extreem an expression. Rather I would have liked to have used the expression "as not right"

Perhaps I could have said it better
seem to... many experiences... as not being quite the right experience?

What if it is simply okay to be frustrated and all you really need to do is acknowledge that you are frustrated; nothing has to change before you can start or move on?

Alex

I noticed you edited as I was writing my post.

Sorry that I seem to have offended you that wasn't my intention.

Be well
Alex

Trying to think of what to say to help you.

I have a breathing meditation which I do when I'm feeling fragmented or untogether, dissatisfied with myself or life in general. Others have found it helpful too:

with in-breath with out-breath
whole complete
complete enough
enough grateful
grateful thankful
thankful healed
healed whole
whole complete

(did you know whole, healed, health, holy all come from the same root?
and complete is 'com' + filled or 'filled with' I like to learn the origins of words. I find it fascinating to find out what we're saying when we don't even know it sometimes ourselves)

and another;

with in-breath with out-breath
open trust
trust heal
heal love
love open
open trust

or make your own, you get the idea. they are very powerful, very helpful in opening and quieting, letting in the light.

I only want to help, you know. I think I've been where you are.

With love,
Stephanie

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