Forums IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ Abundance for Life, Effortless Success Anyone Achieve Financial Abundance Yet?

Alex

[This message has been edited by Alex K. Viefhaus (edited May 02, 2005).]

It all comes down to simply being a marketing ploy. I mean, according to the initial marketing materials that I was bombarded with during the introduction of this program, I should've been driving a BMW by now, but nope... negative... nada... nuthin'... nil.

Don't believe the hype.

I have learned not to talk too much about my successes as they are unfolding, so I've kept my posts down to mini sucesses. Given where my life was at before the Abundance for Life Retreat and where I am now. There has been a big change. I've never been after huge financial abundance so it's not one of my personal top goals. My family has noticed a huge change in me as a person exactly in the area of abundance I enjoy.

The most important part of the course is in the prelude. But I've noticed that people tend to rush that part thinking the rest of the course is the real meat of the course. Once you are comfortable using the techniques taught in the prelude it does become easier to attract the kind of abundance you desire.

Doing "The Work" on the financial Abundance question was a real eye opener for me. I discovered the only reason I wanted financial wealth was because others convinced me that is what I needed.

Alex

There is nothing against other forms of abundance e.g. character development,
having rewarding relationships etc. but in my opinion financial abundance is
a key factor.

Those who achieve financial independence can achieve other forms of abundance
much easier. I know quiet a few who spent a lot of money on courses and self help
books who when being asked about their success claim to have achieved those “other
forms” of abundance.

I think it’s just a form of self-delusion.

Whatever your belief, however, I challenge you to run it through the Feeling Exercise or the Inquiry Process of the Abundance for Life course. Release the power that you're holding in it.

I've talked with a few clients who have made a lot of money since using the Abundance for Life course. Good for them.

I also know two separate women, with whom I just happen to speak recently, whose lives have totally and completely turned around. They are two of the happiest people I've met in a long time. But they are pretty poor. Both attribute their "new lives" to the Abundance for Life course. I betcha financial abundance is not too far behind for them.

For some people the course has been very easy. They see results. For others it has been difficult. To those people I always direct right back to the Feeling Exercise and Inquiry Process--that is where most can have the greatest breakthrough. (The meditations all also quite effective in helping people.)

One of the guys who found it difficult actually made a lot of money in a very short period of time. But he continued to be miserable, unhappy, and depressed. The money didn't do it for him. He's been spending a lot of time on those two processes and is seeing a little progress each month.

Another guy, who I spoke with yesterday, makes a nice living. A year ago he was swinging into bouts of being angry and vindictive. He said that is all behind him as of last November.

Now, WebCrawler2010 says "Can't say that I've experienced much, if any, results, outcomes, or abundance of anything, from having used the AFL program."

It is not about "having used" anything. It is about using it continually until the energy opens and manifests in your life the way you want it. It is not a one-time shot (it might be, but when it isn't stay with it).

When Paul and I met back in 1981 we were both struggling financially. I had lentils for breakfast, lunch, and dinner for many years. But we were mind explorers. We got a lot of people to support us while we did what we loved--all we had to do was share it with our supporters.

These suppporters were not benefactors, but they were clients who paid us $15 here and $98 there. All we had to do was learn, discover, and share in such a way that the clients received benefit.

It was a continual growing experience for us, and for our clients.

At some point we figured out how create abundance in all areas of life--including our own lives. We shared it with clients, and they experienced abundance. When we were confident of the process, we created the Abundance for Life course.

You might say, "Yah, but you made your money by selling these courses to us."

Sure, I make a very nice income from Learning Strategies, but I now have money and wealth coming in from many sources totally unrelated to this business. It is incredible.

For my property, I have full use of my neighbor's bobcat and attachments worth $35,000 (and I use it just about every weekend on my projects!). I just purchased a piece of crystal for $4,000 that I can turn around and sell for $38,000. I bought a piece of property for $125,000 and within a year had an offer on it for $465,000. One of the best woodcarvers in the USA just offered to teach me his craft in my home next winter at no charge (do you have any idea what that is worth!!). When I vacation can stay in private awesome properties free. And on and on. Abundance flows and grows.

So, listen to what Paul and I say. The stuff works. Use it. Absorb everything that you can and apply it every single day. You will reap the benefits.

Yeah, I admit that achieving abundance in the areas of personal and spiritual development is nice, cool even, but that's not just what the program promises and has not delivered. Following is an excerpt from the email I received announcing the program:

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Finally, a wholistically-grounded
WEALTH-MAKING course from the mind of Paul R. Scheele to help you rewrite the script
of your life to give you overflowing
Abundance for Life.

whether you want OUTWARD PROSPERITY of family ski trips, additions to your home, and 'BMWs'

- or -

a spiritually complete lifestyle of
Truth, Beauty, Freedom, and Love

- or -

BOTH!

Dear Web,

You may BECOME RICH BEYOND YOUR WILDEST DREAMS sometime after completing this thorough course of 24 CDs, a phenomenal DVD, a course manual, support follow-up email, and one-on-one coaching. Mind expanding. Life altering.

Or you may uncover a richness in your life of pure joy in every moment, freeing forgiveness for all who cross you, illumination of your soul, and a second sight for the absolute best the world has to offer. Every cell of your body will come alive like the first time you fell in
love.

Or you may simply FIND TREASURES AND BREAKTHROUGHS AND SUCCESSES that have eluded you for years."

Or, you may GET THEM ALL!

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I concur with Alex that financial abundance isn't the only form of abundance; however, I wholeheartedly agree with Mr. Frodo that financial abundance is a key factor and that other forms of abundance are much easily met via financial abundance than not.

Further, if financial abundance is not your thing, than one can also achieve and experience “richness in life" by simply investing as little $6.99 in a paperback edition of the Silva Mind Method book, or other type method book, as opposed to shelling out $280 for the main course or $450 for the deluxe.

-Web

I posted my last response right before I had a chance to read your reply to Frodo; otherwise, I may have revamped or even retracted my last reply.

I confess to using the program for only a short while (1.5 months at best) and chucked it, when I saw that the results I was after were not exactly forthcoming. Maybe I didn't stay with the program long enough.

Anyway, you brought up some interesting points, enough to nudge me in the direction that perhaps I should revisit the program and give it the ol' college try. That is, I'll stick with the program for a much longer period this time and guage my results that way. Any advice for how to best proceed with the program this time?

Thx in advance,

Web

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run it through the Feeling Exercise or the Inquiry Process of the Abundance for Life course. Release the power that you're holding in it.

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That's basically the prelude portion of the course. You need to do the Feeling Exercise and the Inquiry Process a lot, till it becomes second nature, then the main part of the course seems to fall in place.

Alex

Thanks Pete your posting cleared up my thinking and clarified what I actually wanted to say.

Abundance in my opinion of course has to materialize itself in one form or other.
e.g. Money, health, good business decision
(which is money again), rewarding relationships etc.

Example: When I have access to a friends Ferrari or Yacht that is certainly a material manifestation of abundance.

If there nothing more then a good feeling that feeling won't last anyway. Many new age fans have nothing to show for but "good feelings".
That feeling will disappeare in time and the underlying negativity will come back.

Cheers,

May I ask how? I can purchase and send you some crystals (just let me know which ones), and maybe we can split the profit 50/50? 60/40? I'm serious. I can earn some extra cash for future retreats.

No, I'm not in the crystal business. I simply bought well. I got it because it was beautiful, and I new underpriced. Well, I soon learned that I could sell it to a dealer for $9 to $10 who will sell it to a store for $20 who will sell it for $40. I've since seen pieces priced in the $30 to $40 range that were not of the quality or beauty of mine. In two days I could sell it for $9; in two months $38. But it is not for sale, but is there in case I need it in retirement!

I was with Hale Dwoskin of The Sedona Method and his wife, Amy. The interesting thing is that we then drove to the other side of town to look for a tabletop for their patio. We saw a dirty piece of labradorite outside of a stone plant and just stood there in awe. It was beautiful as well as the perfect size and color to be used as a base for my crystal. So, within 30 minutes of buying the first piece, I got the second piece. The universe provided!

We use the crystal as the centerpiece for the Diamond Feng Shui Retreat this past February. We're not going to talk about the crystal in the self-study were producing, but if you get the course, be sure to ask me about the crystal. I'll tell how and why it was so perfect for the Retreat.

If I'm skeptical, it's because I've been working with Photoreading for some time now without noticeable results, at least nothing beyond what standard multi-pass speedreading provides.

I too agree with you that there has to be a physical manifestation of abundance to give one the confidence that it is working. I am sure it is not sensible or prudent to have blind faith in anything (after having given it sufficient time and 'effort', if that is the right word

I think along with the good feelings, and the associated good energy, vibrations, etc, some form of action has to be intitiated, otherwise how can anything happen?

This is something that the course does not address: concrete guidelines, steps one can take to physically manifest the various forms of abundance one may desire, such as financial, or relationships ...

Does anyone, including Paul Scheele, have anything say about these concerns?

Clearly *someone's* getting rich...but whether it's the self-help customers' lives that are being turned around isn't really explored.

It seems fairly obvious to me that to achieve the kind of financial wealth these people promise, you have to have something to offer that lots of people are going to pay good money for...and how many people really have that? There are plenty of talented artists across the disciplines, for instance, producing fine work and who "believe in themselves" but who don't achieve financial success. Sure, you need confidence--and the self-improvement literature can help you get it--but you need much, much more than that. If you are a confident mediocrity, the competition is still fierce and the cards are still stacked against you. Despite what the industry promises, let's face it, not everyone is exceptional.

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Actually I was at the FS retreat in Feb and the crystal at the center of the hall with other decorations looked awesome. I took a number of pictures too. It's funny where you find things.

I would certainly like to know more about the crystal. Please feel free to let me know whenever you have some time.

It was a pleasure meeting all of you.

I think its very naive for anyone to think that they could purchase AFL and subsequently have millions flowing to them as a result. The abundance manifesting techniques explained in AFL are essentially age old spiritual techniques in a modern wrapper. AFL is not a get rich quick scheme – even though the advertising material may have implied this. Surely this is obvious?

I for one really enjoyed listening to the course and I might add have experienced additional unexpected financial abundance. From my experience if you want financial abundance (or any kind of abundance), simply make a clear intention in your mind, hold it for a few minutes, then just forget about it and watch what happens. I’ve studied a number of sources on the subject and this, as far as I can see, is the simple common factor.

Whilst we’re on the subject of financial abundance (and I hope this doesn’t sound too patronising), the Indian guru Swami Muktananda, upon arriving in America for the first time, stood in the airport and said: "They live in paradise, yet they will never know it." Yes, everyone who is in a position to be able to log onto this forum is vastly financially richer than the majority of the world – so you already have financial abundance even if you think you don’t.

Mark.

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Originally posted by InquiringMind:
Frodo02,

I think along with the good feelings, and the associated good energy, vibrations, etc, some form of action has to be intitiated, otherwise how can anything happen?

This is something that the course does not address: concrete guidelines, steps one can take to physically manifest the various forms of abundance one may desire, such as financial, or relationships ...

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The Seven-Step Creative Process is for exactly that. The concrete guidelines for the steps one can take to physcially manifest any abundance one may desire.

One important aspect of the Seven Step Process that is often overlooked is Step OneClarity. Making sure that the goal you think you want to achieve is in fact a goal that you want to achieve.

The manual offers some important guidelines in the Seven-Step Process starting on page 22 to page 29. No need to rely on the CD alone.

The Prelude section of the course teaches somevisualisation technquies that are extreemly useful as part of the Seven-Step Process.

One thing about financial abundance it has to be within our comfort zone. We attach varying amounts of responsability with having money. We don't always want to be responsible for more. Some of us can't get over what our mothers would think of us living a carefree luxuious lifestyle. Or remembering how hard our father worked just to make ends meet. Then there is the fear that it changes how our friend perceive us. And what if, really if you suddenly did get all the wealth you wanted overnight? Have you got the skills right now to keep it? There are certain things you have to do to keep your wealth when it comes your way. Do you have those skills? What really are the sacrifices you have to make to have abundance? That's part of the Seven-Step Creative Process.

Alex

Thanks Alex for your good view points. Yes, some of us have some internal resistance especially against financial abundance.
If we look closely then we will find that most people have a level of acceptance.
This means how much wealth and success they can accept.

As Alex wrote that some may not allow financial abundance because for instance their parents had to work hard just to survive. This makes them feel guilty or unworthy to have wealth and success.

The so called new rich usually show off and brag with their new achieved wealth.
They might not find it normal to have it compared to the Old rich. The old rich
normally don’t brag. For most of them being wealth is a normal state and they
hardly can imagine anything else.

For instance in Germany after WWII nearly all people where on the same poverty
level but the old rich almost instantly recovered and became rich again. Consider
that many of the old rich had lost all their possessions and many had fleed from
the territory occupied by the Soviets. In spite of this within a few years they were
back to their old level of wealth or even better of then before.

Cheers,

Of course these days, a million isn't what it use to be.

To me having Abundance for Life is a path you follow. It is best developed on a slow and steady climb. If you all of a sudden were to receive a 60 million dollar in flow it would be a very large shock to most peoples system
and the majority would not be able to handle it.

It is just as big a shock as going broke and losing everything as it is to all of sudden have more money than you could ever possibly spend.

I enjoy hearing peoples stories that became a success as Pete shared eating Lentils for years because he believed in what he was doing and I'm sure he had a great affinity for following his dream. It panned out and he still does the same thing on a grander scale.

Seeing people go through hard times and how they deal with it shows what kind of jewel they are, or crystal in Pete's case. When someone loves what they do the price is pretty negligible.

The path is yours to follow or not follow, no one can do it for you. It's alot of work climbing up a mountain but if you just get to it you become amazed how far and how fast you have gone.

Years ago I lived up north and hated the winters and knew there had to be some warm place for me out there to live. When I was twelve years old I heard a story about Maui and was awestruck over it.

Now I live there and work in Alaska which also has been very good to me. I tend to circulate an old affirmation "I always have pretty of money to do what ever I want" and things seem to manifest that way. Maybe I should add "always have enough time to do everything I desire...." because that seems a little short on those fun things.

Jeff

Everyone wants everything but you'll not have what you do not deserve or handle. For example, let's say you make 70K/yr. If you see the exact same job in another company for $250K/yr, would you apply or think - "I know they want a lot more and I'll probably won't get it and make a fool out of myself" - to stay in abundance, the first step is to increase our self-image.

That is certainly true but based on my experience this is not an easy task.
The problem is that inadequacy identities are getting triggered and then the
self esteem drops. This can happen at any time and so far I have not found
a way to avoid this. It does not happen to me very often but it still happens
from time to time.

My thoughts about this problem:

a) It will get less in time as I am more aware of it and can use techs to combat
it.

b) I might have to accept it as a part of life and should realize that everyone
suffers from this phenomena sometimes and of course to a different degree.

c) I might realize that these feelings are only temporarily and will change.
For instance I usually try not to make plans or make important decisions
when I experience these feelings.

Cheers,

I found that after the unwanted memories/thoughts etc had been dealt with cleared from my mind I became aware of what waqs necessary for achieving what I wish to.

Step by step I am well on the way.

Good luck to you all.

Caitie

Many people want financial abundance to appear out of no where and life does not work like that.

Success is a series of planned events.

No many years ago I was totally broke, I purchased a system by Bob Proctor, videos and tapes, I follow them, and today my business earn me a very substancialmultiple six figure income, yes, these systems work, if you apply what you learn

I had posted a bitter reply on 6/28/05 that I had gotten zero results from using the AFL program. Pete responded with a highly informative and encouraging post and I decided to give the program another shot and this time I was going to commit to following through on the program.

Well, since then I've experienced extremely interesting results:

- As I've never owned a car before, I decided I wanted an affordable second hand car in mint running condition, so that I could garner driving experience (getting a brand new car at this stage didn't make sense to me). I chose to manifest a 2001 Honda Accord EX, leather seats, sunroof, in silver, at an affordable price. Funny thing is my brother-in-law, Franky, owned that exact same car and it was his car I would visualize during my visualizations because the image was so clear to me. About a week-and-a-half later, my wife announces to me during dinner that Franky was going to sell his car to a dealer, but he would offer us the car for significanly less amount if we wanted it. In addition, we didn't have to pay him all at once, but could pay him off monthly. WOW!!! (Franky had bought an SUV and didn't feel the need for a second car).

- One of my other longer term outcomes was to lose fat and get in shape (target weight of 170-175 lbs with a bodyfat level between 7-10%, from a starting weight of 229lbs). Having a car has now made it possible for my wife and I to join a gym with excellent facilities at an extremely affordable price and we've been going religiously for 3 weeks now.

- Something significant happened this week toward the eventual manifestation regarding another outcome, but I'm gonna keep tight-lipped about that for now. Yah, call me superstitious.

The results thus far has been extremely encouraging and is definitely making a believer out of me. Is all the stuff that I've been experiencing so far sheer coincidence? Who know, who cares, as long as I'm getting positive results.

Be well,

Web

Out of curiosity, what's the name of the Bob Proctor system you used to achieve your results? How long before you were able to start seeing results?

Thx in advance.

Web

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Originally posted by wealth53:
I am new to this forum, I have not purchased any of the materials yet, but let me ell you about what I think about personal development systems...they work!!

No many years ago I was totally broke, I purchased a system by Bob Proctor, videos and tapes, I follow them, and today my business earn me a very substancialmultiple six figure income, yes, these systems work, if you apply what you learn

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Well, I'm still experiencing excellent results with the program, in particular, the 7-Step Creative Process.

The manifestation of My 3rd outcome seemed effortless that I'm compelled to call it miraculous. Stuff like this has never happened to me before and I've read the books and done programs like T. Robbin's, Sedona, Silva, yatta-yatta-yatta (this is the reason I was jaded and bitter in my previous post).

Well, now I'm gonna focus on my fourth outcome (it's sort a biggie), which will take a bit longer to manifest, but I've accumulated some excellent references of success to help propel me through.

Be well,

Rick

PS I am down to 224lbs from a starting weight of 229 (longterm goal = 170lbs).

Plus, no matter which program you have -- whether it is ours or someone elses -- always ask yourself, "What can I do to get more benefit from this course?"

If you find that some of the information is not new to you, ask yourself, "How can I apply this in my life now?"

You will always get more benefit from a course when you are truly engaged and when you give power to yourself, not the course.

It is never the course that does anything for you. It is what you do with the course.

You have so much more power, capabilites, talents, and resources than you ever give yourself credit for. The more you realize this, the more you reach for it, the more miracles happen in your life.

Best to you...

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No, I'm not in the crystal business. I simply bought well. I got it because it was beautiful, and I new underpriced. Well, I soon learned that I could sell it to a dealer for $9 to $10 who will sell it to a store for $20 who will sell it for $40. I've since seen pieces priced in the $30 to $40 range that were not of the quality or beauty of mine. In two days I could sell it for $9; in two months $38. But it is not for sale, but is there in case I need it in retirement!

I was with Hale Dwoskin of The Sedona Method and his wife, Amy. The interesting thing is that we then drove to the other side of town to look for a tabletop for their patio. We saw a dirty piece of labradorite outside of a stone plant and just stood there in awe. It was beautiful as well as the perfect size and color to be used as a base for my crystal. So, within 30 minutes of buying the first piece, I got the second piece. The universe provided!

We use the crystal as the centerpiece for the Diamond Feng Shui Retreat this past February. We're not going to talk about the crystal in the self-study were producing, but if you get the course, be sure to ask me about the crystal. I'll tell how and why it was so perfect for the Retreat.

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Saying, "But it is there in case I need it for retirement" is actually anegative statement. Youre opening the possibility of need during your retirement.

Every aspect of becoming someone who is now Being Prosperous and Abundant, is covered. You can only attract what you Are.
Fortunately, a lot of it is simply removal of stuff. And the seminars and paraliminals address this.

Removal from the trance that keeps people thinking the evidence in the material world is what decides their fate.

Removal of Beliefs that there is limitation in what you can create.

If you ask me, the paraliminals alone are worth the money. The remainder makes it golden.

My only complaint is that the paper CD holders are not adequate to keep the CD's in good condition. I finally woke up and realized i had better get them in Jewel cases, which is what I just did about a year after purchase.

I'm going to probably ask for a replacement of one of my Prelude CD's, as it has gathered some dust material or something on it which makes it skip now.

But back to the program: I think that one of the most common reasons for people who fail, with or without an audio program such as this, is that they never figure out what really makes their Soul sing with jubiliation. They never set an objective, besides something as vague as more money.

Because it is called Abundance For Life, some people think: "ok where's the money, LSC, I got your program", but it's necessary to do the exercise enclosed in this program, which guides you through deciding on definite objectives that you can concretely imagine.

The more thought and feeling you pour into an image that represents your ideal life, every day, with visualization, the faster it comes. And Bobbie Stevens' process which is one of the thing LSC bases this program on, emphasizes the establishment of definite objectives.

Enjoy,
Steve

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Originally posted by irishmale:
Hi everyone, i've been reading all your mails with great interest, ya see i ordered afl during the week so i was a little scared when i read the first couple of mails....very negative i must say...but im glad i read right through to the end, it's giving me hope that this course could work for me, now im looking foreward to getting hold of it, and i'll certainly visit here again...thanks everyone....bye for now.

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On a lesser scale, I was finding myself not remembering my vow to stay above the struggle mentality and really resenting a hosting company that promised a $50 gift certificate for Amazon for signing up with them.

Then I was making my bed, and for some reason, I dont' know why then. I remembered some quote in a book, I think by Joseph Murphy, that you need to just believe and accept that whatever is rightfully yours has to come!.. and then my anger dropped because I realized.. of course.. I will probably receive this equivalent from, say, my phone company who gives me a refund. I completely released like a heavy bag of sand.

So what happens, the never next day, I get an email from the company. The billing head tells me she will send me a check for the $50 bucks, and it arrived the next day in the mail literally.

Life happens from inside, out, hah?!..

Feel and know: peace and non-struggle inside, and the outside has to follow. It if didn't, then I would expect gravity to suddenly turn off also. It's just simply Law.

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I am still in the middle of the AFL course and did have something interesting occur this week I'd like to share. I have traveled an incredible amount in the past 20 years, predominantly for my work and also for pleasure (perhaps 1.5M miles in total). I had something happen this week that NEVER occurred in the past. I had a $550 non-refundable ticket for a trip I could not take. I phoned the airline to discuss changing the schedule (with the hope of redeeming some part of the expenditure somehow). Well to my amazement after a bit of discussion, the ticket agent stated, "It seems that we did have a schedule change here so I'll just refund you the full amount of the ticket to your card." !!!! I can't help but feel that unseen forces that I am shifting as a result of my work in the AFL course had something to do with this VERY unusual occurence. I am most grateful and am REALLY looking forward to the next surprises!

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You might say, "Yah, but you made your money by selling these courses to us."

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I did the program twice. The first time was about a year ago. In my perception at the time I thought I actually lost everything that was dear and near to me (including custodudy of my children) that I raised completely alone for 14 years. The kids didn't even know thier father, my house and my business was holding on by a thread.

At that time I did not do the program correctly. I didn't do the writing ie: condition of my creation. One ot the creation was that I declared for myself was wealth.

As a result of this, what I see now which I didn't see then was my children were holding me back. There is only 24 hours in a day and two special ed kids take up a lot of it. ( we get what we ask for) so it's essential to be very clear.

I ended up renting a room for 5 months after I lost my 4 floor house and the condition terrible. I could barely pay my bills.

I did the program again only this time I had the time to follow it. I trusted and most important which Paul repeats again and again is to FEEL THE BEST YOU COULD FEEL, BE HAPPY, GRATEFUL.

With this new world view in a short 5 months, wealth came to me abundantly. I meet a life partner, together we moved into a nice apartment. he is kind and generous. my father bought me a car, my sister paid for me to learn new skills for the business, a client of mine and I were talking and I told her of my website problems. She offered to barter, she created a new website and posted my listing on a number of different sites. My business is so busy I need to hire help.

I also read Ask and it is Given. It is the same concept. We are vibration and if we send out the sensation of lack rather than abundance that is what we attract, such is the Laws of Attraction.

I pass on a habit I developed which it to write a list of 5 things every night that I am grateful for. It could be a warm bed to sleep in, a nice meal, someone warm to sleep with. Find your things everyday and appreciate them. And I promise it will come.

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