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Hi,

I have friends and relatives who spend, spend, spend, as though they have all the money in the world. And yet, they are the ones who are in the most debt and financial trouble. Sometimes, it is I who have to bail them out and forgive their debts.

Aren't they living with a true "abundance mentality", since they believe they always have more than enough, whereas in reality, they don't? Then, why are they in such financial trouble all the time?

Personally, I don't have much in the way of income or possessions, but I'm very careful with money. To me, that seems to be the only way to be financially responsible. But, doesn't that mean I won't get to experience true abundance, because I don't have an abundance mentality? At least I'm not in debt, though!

It's just ironic how things are in reality.








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Hi hartreefoch,

I do NOT see that as abundance of prosperity, But abundance of debt, stress and scarcity. They are creating more of that abundance in their life.

I see being debt free and spending within my current means as an advance along my abundance journey. I see myself drawing in more and more abundance in all areas of my life including finanical. And of course, that means I get to enjoy the pleasure of having more money available to grow and/or use now.

When people change there habits from living on credit, they actual experience more abundance because the money before spent on bank charges is available to play with.

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fvtrader,

Thanks for your thoughts. I understand your idea to live within your means, and not go into debt.

But would your handle on abundance mentality mean I don't need to save money in the bank, but to use up all my income entirely? Just trust the universe to supply what I need when the time comes and don't worry about a "rainy day"? And, if I wind up with more than I need to use for my immediate needs, I should freely give the overage away?








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Hi

You are welcome.

I take nature as the model. Life goes through cycles. In abundance years, animals and wise human invest/save part of it. With that model, the lean years don't affect you as those whom spend/use all get now.

Part of my abundance is having financial freedom. That means for me, passive investments that produce growth &/or income that adds to my abundance. Total financial freedom comes for me when I don't have to work ever again because my passive income exceeds my lifestyle desires.

Personally, if say I give away 5%, then that means I'm also dedicating 5% to my play account that isn't part of my normal living money.









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One of the ways to break out of the "my limited income" trap that can block your path to abundance is to tithe. That is give money away to something you think is worthwhile. And that means go beyond the cookies and appeals don't wait for them to ask. Instead look for a wworthwhile cause. Then give without needing for the recipient to know it's from you. Like if you know of a needy family on your street. Think of amount that you can give as a gift and then challenge yourself to double it. Do it with a joy in your heart. And don't tell them. Don't tell anyone who you've given money too or how much. It's energy You just moved a few sticks out of the way. Don't let them put the obstacles back .

What you are doing is expressing the abundance of energy that money really is. If you can give away an amount with sheer joy That's abundance and it opens the channels because you are acknowledging that money is merely a physical representation of energy that you can allow to flow into your live by experiencing the gladness of the flow.

Another thing to do is to be happy when you are paying a bill. Not fret about it be glad to be giving them the money. Whether you've noticed it or not money flows much better when you are happy.

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Thanks for your responses, fvtrader and Alex,

I appreciate the spirit in which you made nature your model, fvtrader. I, too save, so I hear you all the way. I guess, though, what I'm trying to struggle with is the difference between what is "natural" and what is "super-natural."

That is, if we really took nature as a model, well, there are a plenty of "bad" examples one can take, for example ...

* Natural selection = the basis of eugneics, Nazism, elitism, etc. Killing handicapped/disabled/elderly members, because they take up limited resources, which are better allocated to those who can successfully reproduce.

* Mass destruction, for example, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, asteroid impacts, wiping out vast amounts of life quickly.

* Mass pollution, for example volcanic eruptions spilling millions of times more CO2 and soot into the air in weeks than humans could ever do in centuries.

* Dog-eat-dog ... Outside of one's own pack, there's no forgiveness or mercy in the natural order. It's kill or be killed; conquer or be conquered.

* Incest, pedophilia, rape, orgies, depception, greed, rage, murder ... all abound in "nature" and there are no laws or justice. It simply happens, and life goes on.

* Disease, parasitism ... all are very natural!

I could go on, but I think you get the picture.

It seems like to be an enlightened human, one must go beyond nature, to become super-natural, and not go by what is observed "naturally."

Your take?






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Is the enlight souls that stand for prosperity, enrich lives, ...

Those people stand up in past, now, and in future for wholeness, beauty, quality,...

I see everyone is part of nature. It's what you do with it that determines what kind of abundance you will experience in your life.








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Hmm ....

I wonder which trance is better, that nature is kind and supportive, or that nature is what it is.

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Hartreefoch,
Hey how are you?
Ive read alot of what you've wrote and it seems like theres too much negativity in your thought process, you listed six things that you see as bad with this world, I totally agree with you, I mean who wouldnt.
You might not be aware of it but looking at what you wrote about and are focusing on are the negative aspects of life, therefore I undertand why its so hard for you see what the course is all about. The things that we think about, positive or negative will determine what the outcomes will be for our future or the percieved future, too much negativity in our thought process and you will see a negative outcome and the same goes with being positive. like Alex said its taken you your whole life to develop whatever thought process you have right now so dont expect to change it overnight, too much so quickly.
We are constantly bombarded with negativity, through the news, the media, after witnessing it for yourself, the people whom you socialise with will bring it up again, there are more negative than positive that goes through our mind from day to day, nowonder more than 90% of people in this world dont get what they want because too much negativity will tell you logically that there are limitations, we are not even aware of these thoughts taking place so how are we to better ourselves and exdend our limits bits at a time in order to reach what we want, thats where this course comes in, it enables you to realise alot of things about how things really are.
Being consciously aware of this is a good start, throughout the course the paraliminals help speed up the process of the change that you desire..
Ask yourself if the contents in this course make any sense whatsoever and if it does than does it really matter who is saying it or where it came from or whatever, just use the material as it is intended to.
Im sure your a very intelectual person stuborn and dont take challenges very lightly and dont like being wrong (eventhough we are wrong from time to time, we are only human its natural) therefore you make up alot of things to justify your conclusions or your view about something. be aware of the posibility that your view might be a negative one and that your bringing up more negative stories to justify your view just so that your right to whomever your telling the story to. Dont worry so much about your image, I'd focus more on the stories Im telling myself, and ask myself whether or not it supports what I want for my future...
You listed six bad things about the world we live in.... now write down 6 things that you percieve as good things in the world you live in..
Take care






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liuaki,

Thanks for your heartfelt advice. Yes, positive positive. Positive thinking is something that gurus of all colors and creeds have been preaching. I envy those who can be positive all the time. Seems like the more I "try" (forgive me, Alex for using that word), the more I eventually go back to the negatives. For awhile, the world looks peachy, but then REALITY wakes me up from the "positive trance."

Anyway, I suppose life is a life-long lesson that we're all going through. I hope one day I can be as positive as the people running this forum. You guys all seem to be other-worldly. More power to ya!







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