Forums IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ Beyond Human Magnetic personality and self transformation

Alex wants more input on becoming magnetic. Ok.

As I have written earlier I've also purchased "Charisma: Beyond Irresistable Attraction" from Kevin Hogan.
In addtion to that I've also recently purchased the e-book "The Magic Power of Personal Magnetism" written by Ernest Vinaya Kumar which got a lot of affirmations for almost every need in your life. It's a low cost e-book which gives good value for money.

The hypnosis CD's are all and well but you might feel you ned some practical info on how to behave magnetic/charismatic in everyday life. I got no problem recommending Kevin Hogans program for this purpose. Brian Tracy and Tony Alessandra got similar programs. The programs from these three are more like audio books and not all contains hypnosis sessions.

You're right suave. Actually, I modified the ad copy on www.xtrememind.com to address a nagging issue about guarantees. While I was at it, I remembered the cool stuff here and I thought...wtf, I'll stick it in, send complimentary copies to these guys in return. I'm truly sorry if I offended anyone. The posts are going down as soon as I contact Joey over Yahoo Messenger.

Jobet

Thanks, for your co-operation, Jobet.

I think we can let the matter rest and allow the topic to return to the interesting bantor of what worked and what cool stuff was found.

AlexK

[This message has been edited by Alex K. Viefhaus (edited March 20, 2004).]

In the same spirit of all this about Magnetic Personality, I posted some questions on a separate thread about the Xtrememind's "Extreme Power System Level I", but got no response. I made a new post because the main theme on this thread was mainly about seduction stuff while I am more interested on a successful businessman image. I could assume that the lack of responses means that no one have tested it for my purposes, but I want to know if that's true. Here follows the text of my other post:

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I have been browsing the xtrememind website and this program intrigues me. By what it says, there is nothing that we could not do with people by learning this program. Specially the PhD of Persuasion book. I'd not interested on Psychic Seduction (for now, maybe never), nor on Magnetic Attraction (I'm more interested on being more a businessman than a "ladykiller"), but Lethal Tongue sounds like something very interesting. At first glance, the advertisements seem very exagerated if it (the program) works at all. So my question is really simple: does it deliver what is promised? Does it fall short? At $66.95, it seems much cheaper than other programs (at $370.00 for the Deluxe program, Speed Seduction is quite expensive, given of course that it also works for things other than just seduce girls). Thanks for any response.

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I too read about the MLP da Money at the Xtrememind website, but it seems that it's intended for purposes akin to the Prosperity paraliminal, not for gaining an image. I could use the IPM paraliminal for getting the necessary image plus Self Esteem Supercharger and Sales Leap, but I don't have the SL (well, I have it as one of the paraliminals in Decisive Action or Consistent Achievement) and I don't have any role model for the IPM (any suggestions?). Any help would be appreciated.

Betsemes,

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In the same spirit of all this about Magnetic Personality, I posted some questions on a separate thread about the Xtrememind's "Extreme Power System Level I", but got no response.

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The best forums to consult with would be Mindlist and UltimateSeduction. These are the two groups that're avid about the Xtreme products and anything related to the energy work-NLP community. Practically everyone on those two forums have at least one of the products you mentioned and in fact those forums are where I first asked around before buying.

Back to your question (but I still recommend askin at Ultimate or Mind).

I have that level one one mentioned. Top notch material for the price asked. I liked it more than "Awaken the Giant Within" by Tony Robbins which I found too long and too boring.

I just dunno if you have the time to finish reading this pack of ebooks or the patience to remember all the techniques. Each book is subdivided into numerous chapters and you'll have to select which stuff will becom your mainstay.

While the seduction section interests me, I focused mostly on the "commerce" aspect of the books- stealthy negotiation, ambiguities, phrasing. etc ect. That pretty much left 40% of the material unmastered. But hey, it's really your discretion what to assimilate. I personally choose to focus on the commerce aspects.

Don't print the ebooks. I found a better way to carry the info on the fly: Stash em into your Pocket PC or Palm. That's what I did. It's a damn epiphany I shudda stumbled across long ago. Right now, all of Xtreme's books are in it, as well as the PDFs of MaxPersuasion, Speed Seduction, Double your Dating and the NLP HomeStudy Course by Rex Sikes.

All in all, I'd give the Xtreme package A++. It's been around a long time and the methods in it seem culled from the best techniques taught by many other trainers. Very little or no fluff at all. It's mostly technique with examples how to use them.

Check out good alternatives to the same theme:
MaxPersuasion.com
Essential-Skills.com
Jon Altfield's site
Wendi.com

Avoid any site that has Doc Mojo, Mojopublishing or Secret of the Serpent in it. This is run by Robert Jacobs- a snakeoil salesman who promises the stars and sells you mud.

John

Hi, John

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The best forums to consult with would be Mindlist and UltimateSeduction. These are the two groups that're avid about the Xtreme products and anything related to the energy work-NLP community. Practically everyone on those two forums have at least one of the products you mentioned and in fact those forums are where I first asked around before buying.

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I'll try those forums. I have visited the UltimateSeduction forum, but it seemed a slow forum to me, so I tended to dismiss it, but I'll try there. What is the URL for the Mindlist forum? Yet I'll continue asking here because you are already here .

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I have that level one one mentioned. Top notch material for the price asked. I liked it more than "Awaken the Giant Within" by Tony Robbins which I found too long and too boring.

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So, should I understand that it delivers what they promise?

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I just dunno if you have the time to finish reading this pack of ebooks or the patience to remember all the techniques. Each book is subdivided into numerous chapters and you'll have to select which stuff will becom your mainstay.

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Don't worry about it. I plan to include those books as part of my plan for learning Photoreading. Maybe I could even DirectLearn them .

Are them ebooks? Not printed ones? I don't remember whether or not the site told about its format.

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While the seduction section interests me, I focused mostly on the "commerce" aspect of the books- stealthy negotiation, ambiguities, phrasing. etc ect. That pretty much left 40% of the material unmastered. But hey, it's really your discretion what to assimilate. I personally choose to focus on the commerce aspects.

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I say that the seduction material do not interest me, because that's not part of my goals now. Seducing girls is something that interests every man and I'm no exception. But before that I'd need to work with my own mind in order to get rid of some negative programs about sex that I has, plus bypass or reprogram my entire value system. Something that could be too time consuming for something that more or less I never have really needed, not mentioning the impact of changing to become a lady's man on a highly sexually repressive society.

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Don't print the ebooks. I found a better way to carry the info on the fly: Stash em into your Pocket PC or Palm. That's what I did. It's a damn epiphany I shudda stumbled across long ago. Right now, all of Xtreme's books are in it, as well as the PDFs of MaxPersuasion, Speed Seduction, Double your Dating and the NLP HomeStudy Course by Rex Sikes.

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That's a great idea. I need to buy a Palm to do it, but it really would be a great way to keep ebooks. I recently downloaded the BSFF ebook, but I mostly haven't looked into it. Maybe this way I'll be reading it. Thanks for the suggestion.

Did you buy all of them? Does Speed Seduction books come as PDFs? What is Double your Dating?

A question that I need to ask is whether or not Speed Seduction can be used for purposes other than seduce girls and if it's worth buying it for that purpose. I have read about some people using it for things other than seduce girls, but I wonder if it's so good on it that's worth the price tag.

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All in all, I'd give the Xtreme package A++. It's been around a long time and the methods in it seem culled from the best techniques taught by many other trainers. Very little or no fluff at all. It's mostly technique with examples how to use them.

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Well, by reading this, I understand that the package delivers what they promise.

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Check out good alternatives to the same theme:
MaxPersuasion.com
Essential-Skills.com
Jon Altfield's site
Wendi.com

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Would you recommend any of these alternatives over the Xtreme package? I'm looking just for your opinion. Afterwards, I'll continue looking around. It seems that there are much alternatives to consider.

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Avoid any site that has Doc Mojo, Mojopublishing or Secret of the Serpent in it. This is run by Robert Jacobs- a snakeoil salesman who promises the stars and sells you mud.

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Thanks for the warning.

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I'll try those forums. I have visited the UltimateSeduction forum, but it seemed a slow forum to me, so I tended to dismiss it, but I'll try there. What is the URL for the

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That's coz their lead moderator Archangel goes through every newbie's posts before having them appear. Ultimateseduction was being spammed by everyone from kiddie porn peddlers to penis enlargeners and other sham products. I think that ****ed them off and they tightened security at the group

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So, should I understand that it delivers what they promise?

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I got what I came for, namely greater ease influencing people to my cause. Of course, the ad may be a little sugar coated but I feel it still delivered and made the money worth it.

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part of my plan for learning Photoreading. Maybe I could even DirectLearn them .

Are them ebooks? Not printed ones? I don't remember whether or not the site told about its format.

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Yup, the pack is in ebook format. That disappointed me coz I love dusting my bookshelf everymorning and admiring my hard bound stuff. Of well. Can't win em all.

How's your photoreading experience btw? I'm now averaging 600wpm to 800wpm with commendable comprehension. Kudos to LSC!

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That's a great idea. I need to buy a Palm to do it, but it really would be a great way to keep ebooks. I recently downloaded the BSFF ebook, but I mostly haven't looked into it. Maybe this way I'll be reading it. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Let me modify my suggestion:
Get a PALM, not a PocketPC. The Pocket PC tends to mangle the formating of some ebooks On my Palm, Pocket Acrobat Reader does a fantastic job converting PC ebook layout to Palm screen layout. In full color! With pix!

Ahhh... imagine taking that long commute home with not a whiff of boredom coz you're armed with all your ebooks on a Palm.

Incidentally, Palms last a week before charging. Pocket PCs last only a day.

Guess why??

(hint. Microsoft's operating system powers the Pocket PC)

Did you buy all of them? Does Speed Seduction books come as PDFs? What is Double your Dating?

Spent over $5000 on assorted ebooks, CDs, hardbound books, etc. I'm a collector, you see.

Speed Seduction comes in Hard copy as well as PDF. Thank God. I don't want to lug around the hard copy of SS. I'd look like a loser reading that in the bus. With the Palm, you can surreptitiously pull out a few key patterns and launch it on your seat mate.

Double your Dating is written by David De Angelo. It's essentially a very long version of the Magnetic Attraction ebook which you'd get in the Extreme Level One you were asking about. Both books are pretty top notch.

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A question that I need to ask is whether or not Speed Seduction can be used for purposes other than seduce girls and if it's worth buying it for that purpose.

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Skip Speed Seduction. Ross charges too much for it. Most women find me nuts even after 8 months of practicing it. Some DO fall for it though.
My two cents: Speed Seduction can be created by ANY persistent fellow who has the rudiments of NLP down tack. SS, as you'll soon discover, is all about creating strong emotional states within people. Particularly the HORNY state.

Any NLP book, whether its O'Conner's Intro to NLP, Hall's User's Manual for the Brain or Plazo's Lethal Tongue teaches you all that... at 1/5th the price.

Look at Speed Seduction. It's $300. Unless you're a crazed collector like me, you'd experience Buyer's Remorse.

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Well, by reading this, I understand that the package delivers what they promise

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I hafta agree with you on that. After reading the first two books I already knew I'd never take up their offer on the 100% satisfaction guarantee.

Ey, check out their free stuff by the way. They got free MLF da Babe and Deep Minds. Pretty effective for me. I won't even mind paying for those if they actually sold them.

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Would you recommend any of these alternatives over the Xtreme package?

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I have most of Altfield's and Tom Vizzini's products. A++ in my book. Needs just a tad more organization, but its still sizzles.

From MaxPersuasion, I have only Max Persuasion level one. It costs over $300. I admit it's TREMENDOUSLY helpful, but there are grimaces.

First, the CDs are mere iterations of the manual. I pretty much got annoyed with Kenrick Cleveland guffawing and snorting all over the place. My finger kept hitting the fast forward button till I came to the meat, then fast forward,then meat... etc.

The CD set is big. About 13. I finished only four and quit. I just read the books. After all, they contained EVERYTHING cleveland was teaching, minus the guffaws.

There's another drawback. The MaxPersuasion series is a grossly overcharged package of what you can get from the $24 Mind-Lines 2000 of Michael Hall, PhD, the $69 Extreme Power of Joseph Plazo, the $30-$80 packages of Tom Vizzini at Essential-Skills.com and the $200 UltimatePersuasion Forumla of Kent Sayre.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are equally good (if not better) products at far lower prices.

By the way, Kenrick Cleveland's successes at Max Persuasion, Influential Spinning, Objection Mastery all spurred him to create this much hyped "Dark Side" of NLP.

DOn't buy it. It's $1200++. Too over priced and it's a rehash of Speed Seduction, Psychic Seduction, Mind Seduction and all the far cheaper, but pioneering works on coercive sexual NLP.

How do I know? I read all the usenet and forum write-ups. Plus, I purchased the damn package. Three of us chipped in to buy it. Man. BUYER'S REMORSE BIG TIME!!!

John

Hi again John,

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How's your photoreading experience btw? I'm now averaging 600wpm to 800wpm with commendable comprehension. Kudos to LSC!

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I'm still struggling with Photoreading. You can see my efforts by reading my online journal at http://www.learningstrategies.com/forum/ubb/Forum8/HTML/004325.html. For now I'm doing some preparations for taking the course. I'm confident I'll do it this time.

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Spent over $5000 on assorted ebooks, CDs, hardbound books, etc. I'm a collector, you see.

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I have already figured it out. It seems to me that every post of yours I have read contains something new to me. In the long run, maybe I'll immediately think on interesting stuff anytime I see "suaveladykiller" as the poster.

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Look at Speed Seduction. It's $300. Unless you're a crazed collector like me, you'd experience Buyer's Remorse.

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No, I'm not a collector. That's why I go around asking so much questions, I need to be sure on the value of a product before spending my hard earned money on it.

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Ey, check out their free stuff by the way. They got free MLF da Babe and Deep Minds. Pretty effective for me. I won't even mind paying for those if they actually sold them.

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I downloaded MLF da Babe (although I maybe won't use it; maybe I'll do, but I could regret it), and both Deep Mind mp3s. Have you tested the other mp3s? Agressive, Energy Explosion? What about the freeware; The Road Personality Test, Relaxation Screen?

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By the way, Kenrick Cleveland's successes at Max Persuasion, Influential Spinning, Objection Mastery all spurred him to create this much hyped "Dark Side" of NLP.

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LOL I have read precisely so about Ross Jeffrey. I was talking about this with my brother and we were joking about this calling him "Darth Ross". Should I call Kenrick Cleveland "Darth Kenrick"? ROFL

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DOn't buy it. It's $1200++. Too over priced and it's a rehash of Speed Seduction, Psychic Seduction, Mind Seduction and all the far cheaper, but pioneering works on coercive sexual NLP.

How do I know? I read all the usenet and forum write-ups. Plus, I purchased the damn package. Three of us chipped in to buy it. Man. BUYER'S REMORSE BIG TIME!!!

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Weeeelll, if a self-admitted collector like you gets so much buyer's remorse then it's a very very very bad purchase indeed.

Could I ask again for the URL for the Mindlist forum? Thanks.

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Weeeelll, if a self-admitted collector like you gets so much buyer's remorse then it's a very very very bad purchase indeed.

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Very VERY Bad. I can recreate Speed Seduction simply with the O'Conner Intro to NLP and the Rex Sikes NLP Home Study course. Not good. Not good at all for the wallet.

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Could I ask again for the URL for the Mindlist forum? Thanks.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mindlist/

Just prepare to have a long wait before your posts get through. One of the gripes of people here is that the forum is moderated to strangulation.

Notwithstanding, it's a cool group of more than 3000 free thinkers on the worlds greatest self-improvement programs

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LOL I have read precisely so about Ross Jeffrey. I was talking about this with my brother and we were joking about this calling him "Darth Ross". Should I call Kenrick Cleveland "Darth Kenrick"? ROFL

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Ooh. Darth Kenrick will send the black force after you now. Hahahahaha.

Someone wrote up a Word Doc file called "The 21 Most Powerful Words" which is his experiences with the core Kenrick techniques. I used to have it prior to purchase. Pretty good stuff even at 2 pages long. Look around. It may still be around.

John

Hi, John
All this goes for persuasion techniques. Have you tested any product for building a successful businessman image? Any book package or CDs?

Also, have you tried MLF da Money? I think that I have asked this question before.