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In terms of sponsporing moral relativity, maybe not such a good idea, but in terms of personal emotional freedom, maybe a good one.

Notions, while not always 100% "positive," can serve useful functions for individuals.

Is it absolutely true that Bill Harris is scamming people? Well, I am not God, so I cannot say that it is universally true. Is my thinking scamming me? Sometimes, yes.

All in all, my decision about it is, well, I enjoy discussing the issues. I enjoy seeing what comes out of myself and others as we butt heads. I enjoy the thrill of both positive and negative emotions involved in the dialogue.

My mom and I have friendly arguments a lot. We disagree with each other. My dad leaves the room because he can't "stand it." We, supposedly the ones being contentious with each other, just look at each other and laugh. The process actually deepens our relationship. We know where each other stands, and can feel each other more clearly by establishing where the boundaries are.

If we're all sitting down for dinner, we'll stop so that he can eat in peace. But in contexts like these, forums, I don't think of it as inappropriate.

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The whole issue of HS has turned to the cost and making a system for free now.

One thing about HS is that you can get to a point to view your belief system about money.

If you believe something costs to much and you don't have the money, it will cost to much and you will never have the money.

I actually thought HS was pretty cheap for all the levels you get and the service and support that Centerpointe offers.

Bill always answered my questions even when I was upset with some crappy service and it was resolved. Centerpointe is probably the only organization that didn't get defensive when I went off.

Education that benefits your life is priceless, it is worth it to pay the price.

take a look at what you believe about money.
Maybe make a few changes in them and work on accepting this new belief system.

If you want to make alot of money become a Marketer. That's what Jack Canfield and his whole group does and they all make alot of money for their efforts.

The money is out there and you can attract it in greater and greater quantities if you have the right belief and value system. If money is a dirty thing to you and rich people are to be despised, I don't think you'll be having a very good lifestyle no matter what course or path you follow.

Holosync has worked very well for me in addition to using Spring Forest Qigong and Sedona.

Jeff

This has been an enlightening discussion! I am grateful to be able to participate with such insightful and brilliant minds.

My take is that these are companies, operating in a capitalistic world. The consumers have a choice whether to partake of their products and services, or not. It comes down to what value the consumer assigns for these products.

In India, the way it is generally perceived is that one shold not have to pay for spiritual teachings. If one desires, one may "donate" a small amount of money to the organization, which goes towards the maintenance and upkeep of the facilities. In fact, the more authentic the teacher, or organization, the less one should have to spend in terms of money. One can volunteer their time or energy towards helping and maintaining the orgainzation.

But we definitely are talking about two completely different worlds ....

Framed another way, we live in a world in which men and women are constantly vying for companionship.

A woman has the right to reject a man, even if he lies to her or even coerces her, and the other way around. So, since it is a matter of choice, is it really so bad for me to lie to a woman in order to get her into bed? I mean, she can make up her own mind whether or not she wants to continue with an affair based on deception.

Of course it's wrong.

The whole open market argument doesn't hold water with me. The philosophy that its an open market so anything goes is a pretty bad one. History has proven that this laissez faire attitude leads to exploitation and tyranny.

Also, let me make it clear that I do not envy anyone their success. I am glad that people, through their own endeavors, become wealthy. What bothers me is when they become wealthy through exploitation and deception.

I have a friend who travels eastern europe alot and he has a great distaste for bankers. In the same breathe he complains about the lack of food and creature comforts in eastern europe, the corruption, etc.

They will never have anything until they make it safe for "money people" to come in and build an economy.

If you don't like the current system of the "Free Market" then build something better. No one is stopping you but yourself.

That all these people like LSC and Holosync and Sedona are "marketing" their stuff and making money at it, I think is great. If their stuff is good they will be around along time. If their stuff is junk then the market will flush them out (people will flush them out). It is true that there are some clunkers out there but they don't last.

I think you fight a system because you don't understand how to use it and don't want to put out the effort to learn. Alot of people want change but they want someone else to do the work. If you want the work done then people charge for it.

I like personal growth tools all packaged up and ready to use. I don't want to build the machine anymore, I just want to use it for what it was designed for. It saves alot of time and aggravation.

Also knowing what you want really helps when you go shopping. Kinda like picking software for your computer.

Jeff

Also; lying to women to bed them. You know you lied. How do you feel when you know you lied? Did you ever try telling a women the truth? That you want to just go to bed with them because maybe they smell nice? At worst case you would probably get a giggle out of them and they would think about it.

I think if you figure out how you would like a women to talk to you to do the same thing, you might find it works both ways. And you'd be telling the truth.

The free market is ok with me, Jeff. It has flaws, yeah, but I think it's better than communism or all out socialism. Maybe something between what we have and something a bit more socialist would work better, I don't know.

My point was about the notion that free choice in a free market = whatever a company does is ok. That's BS.

I think we are both in agreement that being honest about your intentions in relationships is a good thing and can yield surprising results. I know that from personal experience. I can remember the first time I said, "Look, all I want right now is sex and fun" and got an "Ok," I was floored.

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I understand your concern but if you look at growth industries, such as computers were several years ago. The technology was so far ahead of the laws that it has been a scramble for the regulators to try and catch the developing technology.

At some point I expect, in this personal growth industry, we'll probably have to have permits and security clearances just to practise whatever our calling is and have imposed limits. It happens everywhere else.
Sorry you can only get so smart or be so happy. You only qualify for a level 2 Happiness because of your age( or whatever).

Right now we have this economic system that is used to create wealth. It is just a system that works, maybe it isn't the rolls royce of systems but it works. I don't know that making a different system is better than becoming fluent with the one we have.

So getting back to Holosync and it's rules for evolutionary change. When the system gets to a point of not functioning as designed and breaks down, it tends to reinvent itself to compensate for the new complex, whatever is thrown at it, thing.

When it does this, it adds alot of confusion into the place for awhile until the system operator gets use to it. In this way we as individuals and groups grow and change being able to handle alot more stuff thrown at us.

Like beautiful women.

Jeff

And to add on a bit regarding other courses being marketed and Holosync being called "The End".

I think that "The End" is a fitting name for Holosync when it comes to meditation pracise.
At this point in time, it is not possible for anyone to go to a deeper meditative state
than what is offered by Holosync. It is possible to slant ones attention in deep meditation to get different results but this is not the meditative state only application of the mind.

Holosync meditation is not educational and makes no such claims that any knowledge will be conveyed.

I think that Bill recommends courses that he feels would enhance your life experience. He has stated most of the time that he receives no monetary compensation for recommending these courses. These are courses that he has done and found benefit in, take it or leave it.

I'm waiting for the telepathy course, I could use it alot more than voice lessens.

Ohhh, boy. Consider the pot good and stirred by that one.

"At this point in time, it is not possible for anyone to go to a deeper meditative state
than what is offered by Holosync."

Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.... Care to share your research on that?

Of course, you're going to have to study every single human being on the planet and every existing approach, so I'll try and be patient.

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