Forums IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ PhotoReading, Memory Optimizer "super reading" seems like simply skimming

I am trying to activate my first bok but it is taking me a just as long as normal skimming would and I don't feel like its saving me any time at all. Does this process speed up as I become better at photoreading? Will I necessarily have to read over everything I want to remember in order to remember it? Because if thats the case the whole process seems just like regular skimming. Or is the idea of it that your eye is drawn to the more important sections so unlike skimming you are being efficient with your time?

The answer to your concerned question of whether or not it becomes faster the more you photoread, the answer to that is a definite yes. The more books that you photoread, and fully activate, the faster you will be able to become.

There are a lot of times when your eyes are drawn to certain areas of the page, and you'll find that a lot of the time, it has good information that fits your goal and purpose for photoreading the material.

SuperReading, is not skimming. It's usually using little hints and feelings, as well as following trigger words that you picked up while Previewing. At least. . .that's the way it's been for me.

Is superreading & dipping a fancy word for 'skimming' but it's a lot better than regular skimming since you're skimming what hold 4-11% important information?

Not really...see when you skim, you kind of just look over the whole thing really fast.

When you super read and dip, you "skim" (you really aren't even reading anything) paragraphs until you get the feeling to dip. When you get that feeling, you regular read what you've dipped into. After that, you continue super reading.

It's kind of like the 4-11%, thing, although that number highly reflects words like "the" "and" "is" "but" as being exclusive from the content of the sentence. For example, in the sentence, "John bought himself a rusty double-barreled shotgun that he could go hunting with," you could say that the only words you have to "read" are "John bought...shotgun...hunting..." the rest slightly modify it, but you'll get the point. Depending on the question you asked yourself (a necessary step) before you started, different words will stand out to you more. For example, if you asked yourself, "What clues in this story tell us that John is an older backwoods hick?" then the words "rusty" and "old" would have also stood out. Never forget to ask yourself a question; it's what switches all the stuff you photoread into a "filter" mode.

-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com

Ramon,

So photoreading is a tool to accomplish our purposes quickly , rigt? Since i usually don't want to know everything in the books , PR would save a lot of my time. But what if i want to read college book which i have to know everything in it?

Theerapun,

Photoreading is actually better than normal reading. Using the whole mind system successfully, you'll actually gain a higher level of comprehension than normal reading, and you'll get it done anyway from five, to twenty times faster. Knowing everything in a book is the entire point of photoreading.

I think I would recommend that you get a coach.

Youngprer,

I don't live in USA so i can't call the coach. The phone call is too expensive. But that isn't a problem since i already have a good friend explaining everything to me through e-mail.

So far i've successfully activated only portions of a book. It means i haven't experiene the true AHA feeling yet. But ... my biggest problem right now is ...
i think i CAN'T use photoreading the whole mind system for college books also interesting book which i want pleasure. Because , as i understand , photoreading is a tool for getting to the core meaning quickly. And activation doesn't allow us to know everything in a book but we'll have enough information. That's great for normal books which i don't want to spend too much time with. But that's terrible to serious books which i have to know everything since i don't know what teacher will pick up for the exam... i think you perfectly understand my problem since you're a student.

You can be coached through e-mail, as well, you know. And as for activation, and using the entire system, yes, you can use it for anything.

College books, blueprints for aircraft, maps, etc. It doesn't matter. Perhaps you should try this:

Go by in 30-45 minute passes, obtaining the information in layers, and putting this information on a mind map. Bring things in by chapters, and treat one chapter as a book within itself. Put down the chapter title/number, followed by the article titles, and then key information that you believe you will need on the exam, from those articles.

Thanks youngprer. I'll try to use PhotoReading to every reading material faithfully.

My problem is that what i get from PhotoReading step is a feeling of what is important and what is not. And sometimes that feelings is right , sometimes not. Is this what photoreading give me as a beginner?
I never experience the information being transfered from the subconcious mind. I just receive the feeling. do you experience the same thing?

What you're referring is to is what's called spontaneous activation. Often times what happens is you will recieve a feeling that you don't know where it came from, but it's an answer to a question.

The more you practice photoreading, the more your chances will increase of getting the correct sense of what is right and what is wrong to the answer of a question. Photoreading more means improving the relation between your concious and subconcious mind.

So all it takes is practice. The more you practice, the more you get it right. Photoreading more books means getting answers easier, and being able to go through material even faster.

In reference to the "What if everything's important?" question:

This is pretty limited, because with multiple activations you'll see more and more stuff.

But with things like English and literature, where the plot is only HALF as important (if not less) as HOW the book is written, it's most definately a predicament. For example, you won't see that many literary critics talk about what happened in Shakespeare's plays as far as a plot summary goes. But they WILL spend page upon page about why he used this word instead of that, or that phrase instead of this, and like hundreds of different meanings for certain metaphors.

For things like that, I use rapid reading. I know a lot of people will complain that this is just as good as speedreading, but it's not true. Rapid reading makes much more sense (I've taken both Speedreading and Photoreading) and you will go faster because it's stored subconsciously. Speedreading is like using cruise control, driving at 60 mph over land that goes: highway, local, desert, ice, snow, rain. No matter what, keep going at the same pace, and don't slow down. Rapid reading goes 120 mph on the areas as flat as Salt Lake, and goes 35 mph when it's raining. In a book like Lord of the Rings for example, you'll go REALLY fast over the introduction where he talks about what a hobbit is, and pretty slow on the battle scene, while if you speedread, you'll just go fast through both, meaning you won't get half of Tolkien's THICK THICK THICK battle descriptions (if you were going with context instead of plot).

Hope that helps. In summary: I use rapid reading for books that you must know everything, (still finishing in half the time), but that situation doesn't come up that much...most things you will read can be super read and dipped. I didn't believe that with philosophy, and sure enough, you can if you just try it.

To take advantage of the speed of photoreading when time isn't a big factor, activate the material repeatedly until the amount of time you spend on it is equal to about how much time it would have taken you to to read it normally once. You will have that sucker down COLD. If I activated the same novel for 10 hours...geez...I can't even imagine how thoroughly I'd understand that book.

-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com

Thank you very much for both youngprer and Ramon.

yougprer ,
so what i get as a beginner is feeling and some sorts of complex intutive signal , right?

Ramon,
It seems that you can rapidread very quickly...why? is it because your reason ? (diffrent speed for different scene) or is it because the effect from the photoreading step? if it's the latter , what's the effect? Do you find the text look familiar to you while rapidread even though you didn't read it at all but photoread it?

You said in one post that without the photoreading step , you feel completely lost in the detail... How's that feeling? I'm sorry but i don't dare to try it myself Can you explian to me what did you get from photoreading step so that i can expect some of those and trust more and more in the system? ...

Thanks.

It's the photoreading step.

Just like you said, you get the feeling that you've read it already. You start reading a sentence, and you say to yourself, "I'm pretty sure I know what this is about, how it ends, what he's getting at," and you turn out right. I just had to read this book on Freud, and while the narrator stated each case, halfway into the passage I knew more or less how it would end, what the problem was. Like there was some girl who was reasonably bright but got very disturbed all of a sudden. I was like, "I have a feeling this has something to do with her mother leaving her," and it was. Stuff like that.

When I don't PR before I try to activate, I don't get that feeling. At first I debated whether or not that feeling was psychosomatic, and I got that feeling that I was lot because I knew I didn't PR it. Fortunately, I got to test that theory by accident: I was activating this book, and I was like, "Why am I going so slow...why does it feel like I have no sense of familiarty with this book?" I eventually stopped and tried PRing it again, and that changed everything. I remembered later that I was supposed to have PR'ed it that morning so I could activate it later, but didn't get a chance to because I woke up late. The whole morning was rushed, so it totally slipped my mind until I had to think about it later. Sure enough, I didn't PR that book.

Rapid reading speed varies with content, though. I just rapid read two different books, and one was VERY dense (it was about contract law and philosophy thereof) and I was almost regular reading it at some points (it was very dry, dense, and verbose, and to be honest, as I read it I became more and more cynical about why I had to read it - "there's no point to this book" kind of feeling). The book on Freud, however, was in an easy flowing structure, and I went through it at a decent speed (about 30 pages in 15 or 20 minutes, but this is of course rapid reading, and I took a phonecall in the middle of it, so I'm not incredibly sure of the time span, so I'm estimating conservatively - it could have been less).

Don't forget NOPS, so right now I'm thinking, "When I go back to the book on contract law, I'll notice when I get that feeling of annoyance, and the approach I'll use is overexagerrate how annoyed I am - this will make an imprint in my head how much this feeling affects my reading, and to try to let it go for next time. Perhaps this will at least make me stop questioning it and stuff.

Play with it =)

-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com

Ramon,

WOW!! Are you an exceptional or just a norm? Dana said that very little if any of the text will look familiar when we first rapidread or superread it. Is you feeling like you've read those books word-by-word recently? I'm very interested and very frustrated too

Did you get that amazing feeling at the 3rd book (the first one you said you has AHA feeling) or it's your recent progress?

thanks.

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Originally posted by theerapun:
yougprer ,
so what i get as a beginner is feeling and some sorts of complex intutive signal , right?

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Eeehhh, ask LSC, or Paul about that. I don't know what you're talkin' about. All I did was copy that from the book. :P

The feeling I get would be similar to when you're in a car with someone and you recognize the area even though the last time you were there was a long time ago. You would be lost if you tried to go anywhere, but it's still "familiar".

But you still get that feeling like you know what's going to happen a little bit...not plotwise, just what they're trying to say immediately. If you were reading Jurassic Park, you wouldn't know how the book ends, but the way I feel, I would know that when Ian starts going on about chaos theory and starts talking to the female doctor, I already get the feeling that he's going to flirt with her, and that Sam Neil's character would be a little jealous, know what I mean?

Hope that helps.

-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com

Thanks youngprer. i still appreciate your effort of copying that info from the books :P

Ramon,
Thanks a lot. I understand what you were trying to tell me. Is it like deja-vu? My question is 'am i supposed to have the same feeling while activating?'? What should i get while activating? I thought i undersood it but after reading your post , i became confused a little bit :-(
Also , when you activate those novels without rapidreading... will you have info which you didn't dip into popping in your concious mind?

I don't know if you're necessarily supposed to, and I do get it. But to be honest, sometimes I don't get it as much when the material is really dense.

What's really weird is sometimes I just don't give myself enough time to let it incubate. When I went back to the Philosophy and Law book, it was easier because it had been incubating for a couple hours longer. When I went back to this Freud book, I was SR&D much better after a couple hours rather than the 20 min.

Don't forget though - the "hunches" you get to dip or the "hunches" you get while rapid reading can vary between people. For me, while rapid reading, I feel like it's deja vu. For someone else, it could feel totally different, so you might still be on the right track.

Sorry to confuse =)

-Ramon http://razor.ramon.com

Thanks a lot Ramon.