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I just emailed the following note to many of our customers. Just in case you did not receive it, I wanted to invite you to a special retreat with Paul...

Imagine a full week of life changing
experiences - morning, noon, and
evening - designed to arouse your
psyche, bolster your performance, and
calm your spirit. All in the name of
maximizing YOUR potential.

Paul R. Scheele, one of the world's
leading mind explorers and principle
developer of the programs we publish,
will take you on a playful journey into
the real power centers of your
mind...to accelerate your mental,
emotional, and spiritual growth.

You will re-enter your present life
with heightened self-awareness and new
perspectives on life that will smooth
rough edges, focus your direction, and
tune your brain for a sudden advance in
your quality of life.

In the weeks before the retreat, Paul
will help you zero in on where you want
to see passion, powerful action, and
new results. You can be assured of
significant improvement, integrated
change, and joy.

How is he going to do that?

The retreat will be your opportunity to
play with leading edge mental processes
that Paul is working on. He'll bring to
the event the most successful and
popular processes to-date and weave
them into the new material he's been
working on in the past few years. It
will be an experience unlike any other,
and you will be creating new neural
pathways faster than ever!

For example, you will discover Advanced
Strategies of Influence and combine
them with new processes of reading
minds. You will explore transmitting
thoughts directly into the minds of
others.

Far fetched?

Have you ever known what another person
is thinking? Have you ever accurately
judged the intentions and feelings of
another? This kind of "reading" of
minds is something we all do and take
for granted.

A dominant theory to explain this
uncanny ability is that we understand
what is going through the minds of
others by mentally mimicking what the
other is thinking, feeling, or doing.
At the University of Parma, Italy,
researchers identified an entirely new
class of neurons called "mirror"
neurons-"mirror" because they seem to
fire in sympathy, reflecting or perhaps
simulating the actions of others.

In essence, you will learn the latest
and most powerful persuasion and
influence technologies, techniques,
tricks, and strategies to ethically get
others to respond in the way you want,
and to take the action that will
generate your results.

That is only a taste of what you will
experience. And, you will receive all
of the coaching you need after the
retreat to make sure you can fully
benefit from what you learn.

Ideally, you would have already done
the PhotoReading, Genius Code, Natural
Brilliance, and Spring Forest Qigong
personal learning courses before the
event, but it is not necessary. If you
haven't, you can get one of the courses
at no charge (see below).

Paul says PhotoReading is the most
important, because right there at the
retreat he will guide you through
PhotoReading dozens of books to take on
new skills and behaviors to help you
make a quantum leap. You'll find it
stimulating, eye-opening, and
refreshing.

As a bonus, Chunyi Lin will visit our
group one evening to talk about
universal energy and going into the
emptiness. He will lead a Spring Forest
Qigong meditation and do a healing for
each participant. (Plus, Paul will lead
a session of Qigong active exercise
every noon.)

It will definitely be a week-long
buffet for your mind!

++++++++

Here are the details of the event.

* Begins 2:00 PM on Sunday, August 24.
It finishes at 11:00 AM on Friday,
August 29.

* The location is the beautiful
Radisson hotel in Plymouth, Minnesota.
This is 25 minutes west of downtown
Minneapolis.

* Tuition is $2400 and includes a
private room, three delicious and
nutritious meals a day, invigorating
breaks, and all training and
experiential sessions. If you enroll
with one or more other people, you will
each save $100. If you are willing to
share your hotel room with another
person, and if such arrangement can be
made, each will save $250.

* You will receive a series of
motivating and thought provoking emails
from Paul beginning the first of June
to help you prepare for your
breakthrough. You don't want to miss
any of these goodies! You can do as
much or as little in advance that you
would like. But, know that the better
prepared you are for the retreat, the
more benefit you will receive.

* Satisfaction Guarantee: If you are
not delighted with the experience, you
may request a refund of $1000 within 30
days of completing the retreat.
Personally, I can't even imagine anyone
not being blown away with ecstasy!


* TO ENROLL, go to this special web page and
make a $100 deposit. Within a couple of
days we will send you an enrollment
agreement and additional information
including notes for getting the best
airfare to the Minneapolis/St. Paul area.
http://www.LearningStrategies.com/special.html

++++++

My personal advice? Make the
commitment, and sign up now. Treat it
as that special vacation you've been
promising yourself. It is time to take
care of yourself.

If you have any questions, please send
us an email. Give us a few days to
respond, just in case we are inundated
with requests.

Paul has not done a retreat like this
since the Natural Brilliance retreats.
The book and the personal learning
course came out of the retreats, and
the participants loved their
experiences. If a new course emerges
from your retreat, you will receive an
autographed copy of the course at 50%
savings.

I look forward to seeing you in August.

Sign up now.

Regards,

Pete Bissonette


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Sounds great, and you've included almost all the information I'm interested in. What is the expected attendance and what is the maximum enrollment in the retreat?

Will you be dropping by the retreat Pete?

Oh on the room sharing, is that twin beds?

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Iam2 / Dan,

If you're seriously interested let me know.

Drop me an email or we can hook up to discuss.

This seems like a fantasic opportunity ...

Have to check out what the costs are ... flight, car rental and all and if I can book off the time.

Pete, you've thrown too many numbers ... if someone responds early, two or more go and share a hotel room what's the grand total? Too early in the morning for me to figure this out!

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I'm glad you're interested Michael. I was hoping you or Dan would be. Early, multiple registration and possible sharing is that as low at $1650 or is it $1750 or only $2000. The lower the price the more it is possible for me. Sure, I have to pass on my new computer I've been saving for. More importantly I have to see how the wife feels about my doing this.

I'll call on the weekend Michael.

Oh and if they are shooting for a 1000 people, then I will probably give it a pass. I'm not sure where my cutoff in class size is, but I'm very seriously thinking of going.

Please clear up the multiple discounts and class size questions Pete. Thanks






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Pete,

What is the cost for an additional night stay at the hotel (Saturday 23)?

Apparently, if you fly in on a Saturday, you can save almost 75% off the airfare compared to if you were to arrive on the Sunday itself!








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Pete,

OK, it's now the afternoon, I'm awake!

If one commits by May 29 the cost is reduced to $2000.

Breath in, Breath out.

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OMG! THAT SOUNDS SO AWESOME! I've gotta beg my parents, now...

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If another course does come out due to this retreat what exactly would you say its goin to be on? Retreat is quite pricey for some but seems pretty incredible. I wish the best for those who go and for LSC to come out with program shortly after.

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I'd do it, but way too costly






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That sounds incredibly expensive. What do you really learn that one cannot find already in any of LSC's expensive (100-200) courses for purchase? The latest most powerful influence, "mind-reading" technologies, eh? In other words, the art of understanding the psychology of humans, which does not require suggestions that "mirror" neurons somehow conduct telepathy. Furthermore, that kind of persuasional strategy DOES NOT enhance anyones life, it only binds our species into our habitual emotion-reaction machinelike relations. Imagine a world where most people, the aspiring ones, all tried to use subconscious persuasion on each other, to advance their agenda. What a ludicrous circus that would be. What we need is a path to freedom, not a path which keeps people in the dark.
We need EDUCATION for freedom; and I consider it the highest moral responsibility that at all times we only attempt to influence anothers thoughts and emotions in a way which points them towards self-liberation. This requires that we aren't trying to get across our competitive agenda, because presumably we can transcend all that, which only leads to suffering.
My philosophy of freedom does not just come from idle speculation, either. Its necessity has been confirmed by me on many occasions, the most recent being a visit from the poor, unfortunate Mormons trying to convert me to the "true" religion. I spent about 20 solid minutes engaging them in a calm conversation about the ideas behind any religion, especially theirs claiming to be the exclusive, "true" one. I can say with whole conviction that those two human beings were as brain-washed as any CIA manchurian candidate. I won't quote extensively from the argument because I think that you guys can figure this out, but I will say that despite the entire gamut of complete absurdities I exposed they would always fall back on their programming: "what if we are the true religion afterall?", "but we absolutely know that we are the true religion", "you cannot live fully without our faith, and hence our hopw", etc., etc. The sad thing is that this is just a slightly more extreme version of most religions, and it also gets worse- think Jehovahs Witnesses. The point is, most of humanity holds onto needless illusions which prevent them from self-liberation. Do we reinforce those emotion-reactions which are at the root, or do we lead by example? Do we show compassion for this state-of-affairs, or do we exploit it? In other words do we become Buddhists in this regard, or Machiavellians? And Pete's throwing in the word "ethical" does not change the substance of my criticism at all, so don't even try that.
And of course, the first prerequisite is that we ourselves work on our own freedom, first. In fact, you cannot appreciate the scope of this problem until you can at least recognize the emotion-reactions in yourself.

Working backwards a bit: I have come to this understanding through study of many things, many of which I have suggessted here, in hopes that a self-improvement forum would take notice, others which I considered to obscure or esoteric. I now feel morally obligated to review and expand upon my list, so that you guys can look over what I've learned and form your own sense of freedom. The most poerful information collection is at yur fingertips, the internet. You can search all these topics before finding suitable material:
Obviously, thought-training from Logic, Scientific Method, and General Semantics. Also, the philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche, Martin Heiddeger, and Jacques Derrida. More "esoteric" conceptions from Rudolf Steiner, and Zen Buddhism- I recommend the excellent books of D.T. Suzuki. The science of Rupert Sheldrake. Any of the books by Robert Anton Wilson, see his website. Also, for general mind-expansion, the whakiness of Terence McKenna, and Timothy Leary. For Fascinating psychology C.G. Jung and Jean Piaget. For scientific conceptions relating to the earth I like Lynn Margulis, and James Lovelock. Finally, I'll mention that Linus Pauling, the controversial advocate of Vitamin C- who incidentally one two nobel prizes, and was on of the founders of modern biochemistry- and his "offspring", things like the Linus Pauling Institute have generally good information regarding your health.






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Thanks, Kristoff.

I totally agree with you regarding subconscious persuasion. I think that, though some of NLP is useful, most of it is deception. Anchoring and reframing are useful, but the Meta model, persuasion strategies--regardless of how "ethical" it is--is totally deceptive. Like brain washing.

We need to realize that, no matter how much we're trying to "help" someone,that we are dealing with a real human being who has feelings, and we cannot just press a button and get the response we want.






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What's wrong with knowing when people are lying to you? I'll take whatever edge I can get.







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Paul=Russian spy?
JK man
Espionage and Sedition Act hopefully not in play during this gathering.






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Nice, but I have knives in my house.
I haven't killed anybody with them, although they could be used for that. I do find lots of other very handy uses for them.

Tools and knowledge are not things I fear. I trust myself to use what I have in an ethical manner. I also trust myself to be alert for my own welfare.

Kristoff's post has made me reread the retreat statement, but not necessarily change my mind. I've learned much about the techniques of reading people from other venues. I've noticed these techniques being used against me. I'm sure that not all of the time the people using them were conscious of their attempts to influence me. They were just techniques that they naturally developed as they grew and acquired thier socialization skills.


Just had to pipe in.

Live and learn,

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* The rooms either have one king or two queen beds. The hotel was originally a Scanticon, if you are familiar with those. Quite nice.

* I'll be in and out every day. Our office is only about five miles away. Dana, Sandy, Shawn, Cheryl, Patrick, and Lynette will be there, too. As a matter of fact, Shawn will lead most of the outdoor experiential sessions. (The rest of our local staff will be there at one point or another.)

We'd love to have those who want to swing by the office, too. We'll show you around.

Paul and I will have a special lunch for the Forum regulars. We've been reading your posts and look forward to spending time with you in real life.

* There is not need for a car rental. You can take the super shuttle from the airport. I think it is $22 one way.

* I don't know what the rates are for Saturday or Friday night. I just emailed Sarah, and I'll post them when she gets back to me.

* We're hoping for 50 people. We could have as many as 100. Hard to tell, because we aren't giving folks a lot of advanced notice. We're doing it for two reasons: 1) in a recent survey a preponderance






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As far as I'm concerned - what you learn about subconscious persuasion is really all about what you do with it. People who naturally use deception for their own gain and another's loss exist whether stuff like the persuasion part of NLP does or not.

As far as I'm concerned, why not use it to help you and others become better connected, solve their problems, prevent them from making bad choices, etc?

"I'm afraid that's an unfair question, Senator. After all, the wrong person behind the wheel of a car can be dangerous."

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It's not so much that I have a problem with the tool, as I do with the priciple. Whether or not you are helping someone or hindering someone, you are DECEIVING someone.

It's this principle of DECEIVING that I don't like.

How would you like it if someone, whether they are trying to help you or not, was tricking you? That person would be DECEIVING you to get the response he wants, whether it be good or bad.

astrowill, I'm not talking about lying here






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Pete,

Is the hotel the same one where I attended Pauls Photoreading class in March?

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Arthur please tell us how one can use NLP to deceive people. Right now I'll give you an example of harmless NLP.
Take a group of people and tell them to close their eyes and imagine their own personal timelines. Have them hold their left arms out in the direction of the past, and their right arms toward the future. Those who have a good sense of time and organization will generally hold their left arms a little behind them and pointed slightly down, while their right arms will be a little forward and up...but basically their arms will be out like airplane wings. Others, though, will have their arms in screwy positions--these are the people who tend to be late and stuff. From there you can have the "bad timeline" people model the others and hopefully give them a better sense of time. We've taken thoughts and put them into words and instructions so that they can be conveyed to other people.
OK Arthur, your turn.







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Alexk,

Many 'Canucks' are hoping you'll attend!

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Obviously one must use ones own discretion in applying these tools; as I stated, they basically rely on the knowledge of human psychology. It seems to me though, that, as Arthur reiterated, deception cannot be generally encouraged. In some situations, it might be deemed necessary, in others, it would only be frivolous; in still others, it could hamper the development of freedom in the other individual. I think that such freedom and self-reliance needs to be the goal of most interaction and relationships. In fact, true synergy is enhanced in that manner. We should use 'subconscious' cues to pick up information on another without great reservation, but using 'subconscious' persuasion ought to be considered much more sensitively. I hope this clarifies my concerns. I still, obviously, hold to my other statements in the first post as well.

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What they're trying to teach is a set of skills that some people use natuarally and inadvertently to achieve success. People have studied those subconscious cues and interactions so that other people can use them at will. So if one guy is inherently good at influencing others without thinking about it, and another guy intentionally mimics his powers of persuasion, is that latter person a deceptive crook?






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Alex - It is the same hotel that we've used for the PhotoReading class.






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can I drop in and visit temporary for free? Or will I be kindly escorted out?






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quote:
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Alexk,

Many 'Canucks' are hoping you'll attend!

LLL

Michael Saikali


Am working out if it's possible.

Pete,

That is a very nice hotel. I didn't get to take any pictures of it even though I had my camera in my bag. But the other instructor candidates and I did spent a nice Saturday evening at the bar plotting how to break the paradigm...

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Hotel rates for the Saturday before and the Friday/Saturday after are $89/night.

Additional rooms during the week (for whatever reason) are $170/night (M-W) and $155/night (Th).

Shuttle is $24 one way.








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Thanks for the information Pete.

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Pete or anyone at LSC is the airport code in MN - MSP????

Trying to plan flight ...

Thanks






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MSP is correct.

That is the airport code for our airport.






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Pete or Dana,

Anyone have a contact and number for the Radison hotel to allow for booking an additional day (Saturday)?

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www.radisson.com/minneapolismn_plymouth

That will probably help

Alex

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Michael I'll call tonight... during overtime LOL.

I've called LSC and tried the online booking. I'll finalize somethings with you tonight of on the weekend.

Anyone know if LSC answers the phones on the weekend. The online deal is only for a deposit. I want to pay for the full shot and get my free course.

Don't get me wrong Pete, I'm excited about coming out, but I'm going to use every discount you've offered.

I also assume that LSC is booking the Hotel for the retreat period, but not the before and/or after days.






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For all that don't already know, there is a NEW and FANTASTIC search engine out on the web that yields AMAZING results!

Goto WWW.ALEXK.COM !!!

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PS - Thanks AlexK!






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IAM2,

Call me during the period breaks or I'll call you.

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As for the AlexK search engine, I've already visited the Hotel's website, Michael. It looks pretty good and if my memory is correct the fitness facilities are not shabby at all. Oh and I'm out for dinner tonight, I should be back at a reasonable time. I'll check the tube before calling.


Hey AlexK are you going to be there the Saturday before? How about meeting in the lobby and going to dinner that night. The invitation is open to anyone else that wants to join. Let's say six o'clock in the lobby. BTW, this doesn't mean I've picking up the dinner tab.

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To all,

I'd just like to get a sense of how many 'forumites' will be attending?

I for one intend on on going to this rare and definately life changing experience!

I know of three ... myself, IAM2 and Alexk

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To all,

I'd just like to get a sense of how many 'forumites' will be attending?

I for one intend on on going to this rare and definately life changing experience!

I know of three ... myself, IAM2 and Alexk

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Considering the long haul - airport securitys early checking and 3 flights to get there. I'll have to be there earlier. Not making any flight arrangements until July. Here airfares are at their peak right now and they are complaining that no one is flying.

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There are sixty plus people enrolled now. I can't wait to get everyone in the room together. Can you imagine the synergy, the energy, and the coolness of it all!

We will certainly do some fun stuff, but I am simply thrilled to find out what people do with it all in their real lives when they get back home.

And, while the participants will have to be in it for themselves, the effect they will have on the others can be significant.

What a great summer! I'm heading out to the gardens...






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Hope everyone enjoys it. The youngprer has to sit this one out.

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So I guess that means there are 57 plus people not from the forum, who are going to the retreat. Hmmmm

Oh, youngprer if you don't get to come to this retreat, then you should believe that it is for you own best good. I'm sure that doesn't sound good to you, but if it does then you're even further ahead than you might think.

Best of fortune,
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I take it you are a Canadian? My husband and I are attending. Driving in from Alberta, not sure when we will arrive.
So what is the uptodate count of attendee's?

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Michael and myself are from Ottawa. We're both leaving the wives and kids behind and flying in Saturday.

The last number I knew had the attendance at over 70 people. There's also the last minute effect. There's always some people who wait, for whatever reason, until the last minute to commit and register, and the "I just heard about it" people. I wouldn't be surprised if the course grew to a hundred.

I believe the largest room configuration has a capacity of 120. If my memory serves me well about the hotel web pages.


AlexK, you better wear one of those corked bush hat so I can find you in that crowd.

See you there Juanita.
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Oh, I don't think you'll have any trouble spotting me with my akubra - minus the corks

I'm not planning to check into the Radisson until the Sunday. Expecting to arrive early enough for Pauls PR Class but staying in cheaper accomdation until the retreat.

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Pete, Dana or Sarah,

I tried calling the Radisson to reserve an additional day (Saturday) and they cannot seem to find the block of rooms reserved.

Are the block of rooms being reserved for LSC and the participants must call the Radisson to book the room or is this all done by LSC?

Next question, have the block of rooms been reserved and under what name?

LLL

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PS - IAM2, as soon as I find out the room reservation information, I'll book the additional Saturaday for us.








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This sounds great and I wish I could attend but my money is low this summer

Are there plans to hold another event like this in 2004? If so I could start saving up for it because I'd like to go to such an event. It would help me tie up all the loose ends on my NLP, Natural Brilliance, and Photoreading.






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So, after almost 3 years, what are your comments about this event?






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Before that Retreat I wasn't a forum moderator, I wasn't sure how I was going to manage the funds to do the PhotoReading instructor certification and I didn't have a name for my business since I was still uncertain if I would have any funds left to start one.

Then I was unemployed. Now I am self-employed.

It became the Abundance For Life course.

Worked for me

Alex






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