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#56906 11/10/06 06:11 PM
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Have can i achive this?, i understand that lucid dreaming is like being awake in your dream, i'm able to remeber my dreams or parts of them, but i'm just one more part of it and i'm not aware of what i'm doing i just am a part.

Does image streaming help to devolp this??
how can i wake up when dreaming??

I would really like to achive this, son any input and self experinces obout the subject will help me a lot.

thanks.

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Yes, lucid dreaming is a LOT of fun.

The method which helped me most to achieve it consistently is to make a habit of asking yourself during the waking hours, "Is this a dream?" and then seriously answer why it is not a dream. Like, notice that things are the way they're suppose to be, that there's nothing "strange" about your surroundings, nothing out of the ordinary. Do this as often as possible during the day, so that it becomes a habit.

Once this is habitualized, you will start asking the same question during your dreams ... and then when you go to answer your question, you'll notice very obvious things (which we call "dream signs") that make it very clear to you that you are indeed in a dream. (Obvious things, like, gee ... this person is suppose to be in New York, but I'm here in California ... gee ... this shouldn't be! Oh! I'm dreaming!!) And when you realize it's a dream, you actually become conscious to the fact that you're dreaming ... that is, you become lucid, and you can conscously start controlling your dream.

It's GREAT fun, and I keep a journal of all my lucid-dreaming adventures.

Take your time, too ... at first, when you become lucid, you might wake up quickly, because the realization is so shocking (and the feeling may overwhelm you enough to awaken.) But hang in there ... over time, you'll get used to it and be able to stay longer and longer in the lucid state.

Let us know how it goes, and have fun!

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Ok. thanks a lot, i've been doing an exercise similiar to what you describe, every once in a while on the day a give a little jump to see if i'm awake but now i'm also gonna try and notice things and do more questions and see if that helps. I can remeber my dreams but they have not yet become lucid, i'll just keep trying.

Will it help to start my journal with what i remeber even if they're not lucid?

And also, i've seen posts that talk about OBEs, (out of the body experinces),
whats that about, is it the same thing as an astral proyeccion, and are both the same as lucid dreaming, because i'm a little confused, hope that some one can clear my doubts.

and if OBEs are not the same thing, how do you achive those.

Thanks.

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Hi Pablomx,

Yes, definitely keep a regular-dream journal. In fact, you won't become a good lucid-dreamer until you're a good normal-dreamer. Also, I've found that it helps me to use a voice recorder to keep track of my dreams, because it's SO much easier to talk into a microphone, rather than have to get up, turn on the lights, and write. I have a microphone which stores recordings directly in WAV form, which I then download onto my computer for file-keeping, so it's a very convenient, quick, easy way to journal my dreams. They are relatively inexpensive ($50 US or so), the kind that most people use to record meetings or thoughts during the day.

Regarding OBEs and astral projection, well, I'm not the best person to ask about such things. (I happen to be the resident skeptic at this forum, ha ha.) But hopefully someone else who has experienced such things can give you a first-hand accounting. I'm sure if that's what you're seeking, you'll be able to achieve it eventually.

One last thought ... be patient regarding lucidity. Yes, it's important to have the INTENTION to become lucid, but if you're overly expectant, you may defeat yourself. Just relax and let it happen. Yes, expect it to happen, but don't be disappointed if it doesn't happen. Just say, that's okay, it'll happen the next time. And on and on, and usually, when you're not so anxiously desiring it, that's when it happens. (Kinda like that cliche about chasing the butterfly ... when you stop chasing it, that's when it lands on your shoulder.) And then it becomes more regular. I think it took me a month or two of preparation before I first became lucid. And then it wouldn't stop ... so much that I became exhausted, and I had to consciously stop lucid dreaming. (Those lucid adventures literally keep you up all night, ha ha

Well, best to you, and happy dreams, lucid or otherwise,

HF

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And also, i've seen posts that talk about OBEs, (out of the body experinces),
whats that about, is it the same thing as an astral proyeccion, and are both the same as lucid dreaming, because i'm a little confused, hope that some one can clear my doubts.

and if OBEs are not the same thing, how do you achive those.





Hi again Pablomx,

This morning, I realized why some may relate OBEs with lucid dreaming.
It came to me this morning, while I was experiencing my latest lucid
dream. One fun activity to perform when lucid dreaming is to "fly."
Indeed, that's the first impulse I have when I enter lucidity. It may
betray a subconscious desire to leave the bounds of the waking world, and
when I fly in a lucid dreaming state, I REALLY feel like a bird, flying
freely! (I'm also an airplane pilot in real life, and flying a plane is
still SO restrictive with all the noise of the engines and having to
monitor all those instruments and handle those cumbersome controls. In
real life, flying a plane is more like driving a complicated bus than
truly flying.) But in lucid dreaming, I feel like I'm really flying like
a bird, and the feeling is wonderful.

Just this morning, as I entered lucidity, I felt my legs starting to
"peel" away from my body, floating higher and higher into the air. My
head was anchoring me down at first, but as I sank deeper into lucidity, I
"detached" from my body, and I was flying freely again. I remembered your
question about OBEs, and that's when I made the connection ... perhaps
this is what some people interpret as an OBE. I made an effort to try to
look at my body lying on my bed, but to be honest, I could not see myself.
(To me, that suggests that it only FELT like I was out of my body, when in
fact, I was just in a different state of consciousness, and merely
PERCEIVED to be out of my body.) As I flew around my "house", I noticed
things which should not be where they appeared in the dream, so I knew I
was dreaming, not truly having an OBE. But I can easily see why some who
similarly experience a lucid dream could perceive themselves as having an
OBE, because during lucidity, it really feels like one is a disembodied
spirit flying around.

Well, my dream went on to be one of the most profound dreams I've ever
had. I heard the most beautiful music performed by a complete symphony, a
song I had never heard before, one which completely enraptured me and
moved me to tears, and one which I truly wished I could record. (I often
hear such songs in my dreams, and, gee - I REALLY wish I could bring a
tape recorder into the dream-world with me!) And I experienced what I
perceived to be a scene from my future, a deeply moving experience. The
colors, sounds, textures, and emotions were all ultra-sharp,
ultra-realistic, as if I were living in a high-definition universe. And I
was fully conscious and appreciating every moment. (Ever see the movie,
What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams? It's like that!) And when the
dream began to conclude, the music (which now included a lovely choir)
ended right on cue, and that world gradually faded out, to be exchanged for
this world. Nevertheless, the profound sense of contentment, peace, and joy
lingered as I lay in bed, reliving the experience to my journal.

So, I thought I'd share that. There does seem to be a connection between
lucid dreaming and perceived OBEs. And the experience is so profound that
some may believe that they actually did leave their bodies. I suppose
it's ok to interpret the experience however one wishes to do so, but there
is an easy way to test whether in fact an OBE occurred in objective,
physical reality. The test is to have your spouse write on a piece of
paper a number (unknown to you), and to put it on top of a tall piece of
furniture, which you cannot see from the ground. If you really have a
lucid-dreaming OBE, just remember to fly up to that piece of paper and
examine what the number is. And when you awake, ask your spouse whether
it was the right number. (Do this honestly - no peeking in real life! -
of course.)

Best to you and your dreams!

HF

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OBEs are not considered the same as Lucid Dreaming experience to the start of each is different, I recommend lucid dreaming. Causes less distress.

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Thanks for all the posts they have all help me a lot and hartreefoch cool experince thanks for sharing.

I'm still not lucid but i'm not in a rush, it will happen when it happens.

Alex, why is that OBEs cuase less dsitress, what do you mean by that? I understand that distress is a higher level of stress, but does OBEs cuase this, and when you say "less" does this mean that lucid dreaming also causes distress??żisn't this soposed to help?

hope you can clear my doubts.

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Hi Pablomx,

Glad to share. Yes, lucidity is a wonderful experience. I would not call
is stressful at all. Quite the opposite ... it is absolutely euphoric.
I think it's one of the most genuinely euphoric feelings I have ever had.
I have never drunk or smoked or done drugs, so I don't know what a
chemically induced "high" feels like. But I can guess that probably the
feeling one has when lucid is akin to getting "high" ... only much better,
because you are in full control of your consciousness and senses. It
really is like stepping into another dimension, another universe. And when
you return to this dimension and universe, you're not sad or hung over or
depressed ... because the joy lingers and the rest of the day/week/month,
you're still feeling all the wonderful things you did during lucidity. I
HIGHLY recommend it to anyone.

With regards to OBEs ... it would be interesting to hear from someone who
has experienced both lucid dreaming and the so-called OBEs. My personal
hunch is that they are the same things in different contexts, because
during lucidity, I really do feel as though I'm leaving my body (if I'm dream-flying, that is).
But, again, if there's a genuine difference between these two experiences, I
have to defer to someone who's actually experienced both to describe the
differences.

Best to you,

HF

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Let me put it another way ...

If I were a religious person, I would easily descibe lucid dreaming as a religious experience.

It's that powerful, and well worth your time and intention to achieve.

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OBE take you to some unusual places. If you think it's hard to maintain a lucid dream it's even harder to stay in an OBE. With dreams you want to remember that your body is lying in bed and that you are dreaming. With OBE any thought about your body will pull you right back in. And the pulling in and falling out sensations I didn't like. Especially the falling out of the body. for some reason you push and pull until you're ready to take the leap. Then you're not sure where you will wind up. Some OBEs are more creepy than nightmares. Lucid dreams are much more fun.

Alex

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