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#736 01/28/03 02:42 AM
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Kristoff Olafsson, what is your IQ then?






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My IQ is not the issue here. I never said anything about an authority saying it didn't improve analytical abilities, I said that the process does not act directly upon analytical abilities- i.e. one doesn't evaluate strategies of problem-solving when one image-streams. Yet the Reinert studies, and the observations of many people bear out the fact that Image-streaming does improve, indirectly, ones analytical abilities. My question is how far above the Reinert studies measurements can one improve their "IQ" on a standard intelligence test. The Reinert studies actually only got to 10 pts. in the versions I saw, but from this point Reinert was able to make a graph predicting gains beyond this point. I am just curious about how far above that point one can get with image-streaming; if one can improve by a whole 40 pts. than the entire cognitive-studies world would jump up and pay a lot of attention! That kind of a gain would show a lot about what intelligence really means. That is why I think it worthwhile...I'm not asking everyone to do it, or anyone for that matter. It just seems reasonable to expect at least a few people dedicated to image-streaming to try it themselves. I have said that I plan on doing so myself...my current IQ, which I have only established generally, is for my own info. when I have a real WAIS-R, which I will only do after logging around 40 or 50 hrs. Image-Streaming and 3-5 mos. If their is a significant, 30-50 pt. difference at that time I will conclude that Image-Streaming was involved in making such a substantial gain. I will make this info. available, for what its worth- which admittedly is limited-- so other people can get an idea about a ceiling for the gains possible with image-streaming...this certainly deserves to be researched.






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Then I suggest you try the dedicated image stream forum. Users of the Genius Code are using more tools than just image streaming and generally the purpose is to learn to understand and utilise the codes of our minds.

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OK. point taken. I just thought that this forum would be very interested in a relatively simple procedure- image-streaming, and how it can improve/enlighten their own minds. All it would take to test my idea about IQ ceilings is 20 minutes a day for 5-6 months. Not that much. Am doing it myself.






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I am with you Kristoff, ill try your experiment as well, just give me the formal detials i will get started (thus far i have ISed only about 1hour total and i noticed a slight increase in processing speed (i finished a chemistry chapter faster than ever, i.e. the problems seemed easier to absorb) anyway enough of that. Just send me the protocol and ill get started.






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Excellent. The first step is to get some sort of indication about your current IQ. Their are many online tests, of varying efficacy. If you choose to go that route take a variety-- at least 3-- of timed, online tests. Look for tests which seem like the authors invested some time in them. A simple google search will be very effective. Ideally, though, you should take an "official" IQ test, administered by a professional psychologist, or your local chapter of MENSA. I found about a 20 point spread in the online tests I took so I made an average. The next step, is, of course, Image-streaming. This should be done in 20 minute segments, as often as one can manage. Go to Win Wengers site for full instructions. Based on his calculation of 4/5's of a point per hour, and the fact that I found a 20 point discrepancy, I decided to make my margin of error large, and so my total image-streaming hours will be enough to gain--if the technique actually works-- 30 points IQ. That is about 38 hours worth, which I'll just round off to 40. That means about 120 20 minute sessions. I figured in that I will spend the next 6 months reaching that number. At this point I plan to take a "professional" IQ test. If all goes well my IQ should be at least 10 points higher than my highest online score was. If it is than I'll conclude that Image-streaming functions as promised. Note: the Reinert studies actually did not go up to 20 points IQ as Win would lead us to believe. They actually got to about 8 points during the published study, and the rest is a predictive graph assuming the same rate of change. Anyways, that is my roughly controlled plan. Not entirely scientific but it should cover all the possibilities. I would love to see you and others do this as well. It would be effective cross-motivation. I'm sure that Win and Paul would be interested to know as well. Finally, I'd like to state that a certain degree of healthy skepticism leads me to conclude that the ceiling for gain may be lower than the amount we intend on practising...it has to level off somewhere, there's no such thing as unlimited gain.
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K.Olafsson








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Right, i will begin logging hours as you stated, my belief is similiar to yours, but as alex says its not the IQ points that makes image streaming important, i just want to convince some of my friends that it can increase something "objective".

[IQ scores change very fast, even when we hold the test type constant, but i decide to post my scores here anyway]
I already have a some IQ scores my emode score was 138, iqtest.com was 140, and a few others were 126, 132, so i am guessing i can make a safe estimate that my "iq" is about 135, i am saving the mensa exam for the post IS measurement. I just have one question, my IQ in high school was about 107 and then it jumped after i got interested in math, then i stopped doing it for about 4-5 months, and a friend of mine asked me to take a IQ test (very similiar) and i scored 133, right now i am starting to do the math puzzles for fun again, and my brain is starting to process faster because of my speed reading training, so how can i seperate results derived from solving creative problems from gains derived from ISing. I really dont want to stop doing the other 2 things since they are very enjoyable. Please advise (anyone who can think of method)

[This message has been edited by Serpentaura (edited February 15, 2003).]






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Personally I don't think you can. Improved mental skills in one area are just going to kick of activities in other areas and the more you use your brain the better your brain works for you.

It is interestng to note when you follow the forum for image streamers that they start exploring other brain activity. Games like becoming ambidextrous, juggling, brain gym exercises, standing on one leg with eyes closed etc.

I personally think that image streaming (as well as other brain exercises) create an 'appetite' for more and to handle IQ test you do need to experience more.

Have fun with it.

Alex






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I would just like to say that IS'ing, HTT'ing, sip breathing, etc. do work. Started with an already high IQ of 128, after 7 hours of IS'ing, and 11 HTT days, my IQ is already 150! If this is only the beginning, how high can you go?







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Thanks

Alex:

I feared that would be the answer, but its not going to stop me from recording my results, i will just have to point out that i was "working out" my brain in a variety of ways. I will just try my best to "analyze" what is benefiting me more (if at all possible). Or maybe i can assign a 10 point increase due to math, and reading complex texts. Then grant any further improvement as IS exclusive? Any ideas Alex (or anyone else)

Arthur:
Thanks for your post, it has inspired me to redouble my efforts (hehehe hopefully your not dr.wenger "undercover", j.k)






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