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Hi there,

I'm actually working on session 1 of course 2, "turn around your limiting beliefs". I have the impression that it's rather tricky for me to identify the limiting beliefs. I'm quite sure that I have some unknown ones and these are supposed to the most limiting ones due to just that nature. My list of restricting statements often heard when growing up is quite short (another belief? ;-) at least the ones I can remember.

Any ideas of how to deal with that?
Any list of limiting beliefs for "inspiration"?
Any list of restricting statements when growing up?

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Really rather simple.

Keep repeating a new desired belief over and over; as in out loud 350 times. The garbage will surface, keep notes.

Example: 'I always get what I think I want, always... and when I commit to verbalizing it, then surely it comes upon wings of the goodly Gods and overtakes my affairs smartly well.'






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Hi Pheonix

You can dig out your limiting beliefs by thinking about anywhere your life isn't working exactly the way you want it- if you don't have your dream job, if your days don't go the way you like them to, if you aren't surrounded by people that love and inspire you- anywhere you 'feel' you need to make changes or adjustments, there is probably a limiting belief at the core. If you scan thru the postings here, you can get an idea of some of the limiting beliefs that are operating on others. Things like lack of time, lack of money,I need to wait before I can have ___,.

You can also try asking your 'higher self' to show you where you are limiting yourself. Being aware and open will help you find your limits, and work thru them. Sometimes you recognize them one at a time, and sometimes you'll see a whole group of them.

I hope this helps

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Hello Pheonix,
In my experience limiting beliefs are the very 'facts' we take for granted. They are often cherished beliefs or values, ones we are prepared to fight for or sustain. My daughter believes she is poor at maths - consequently she is - but she didn't used to be. She or someone else implanted a limiting belief in her mind.
I can't resist a nibble of chocolate.
I hate being late.
If only you did/ didn't do such and such, then I would....
I wish I could....(the limiting belief is the 'fact' by which you justify why you can't get your wish).
Limiting beliefs can also be faulty conclusions: I failed my maths test, therefore I am bad at maths.

I totally agree with Brendann. Your limiting beliefs are at the intersection of what isn't working well for you.
Look for thoughts beginning with I can't; I won't; I should; I must; I shouldn't - these are mechanisms that may delineate your belief system.

Look at where you have discomfort and pain. You can turn that on its head and see it as the universe's way of drawing your attention to a belief that MAY need updating, refining, or just plain dumping.

Again, Napoleon Hill comes to mind. "There are no limitations, just those in our minds." What can't you do / have / be?

If all this doesn't put you in touch with some of your self-enforced limitations, then try switching the word limitation for 'boundary', or another synonym.

Finally, list what makes you fearful. Limiting thoughts hold fears in place.

A book some of us have been benefitting from (see other threads) that relates strongly to this subject is "The Big Leap" by Gay Hendricks. It is all about spotting your Upper Limits, and how to live in your Zone of Genius.

I do so hope you enjoy eeking some of those limiting beliefs out into full consciousness.
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French Claire wrote:
Again, Napoleon Hill comes to mind. "There are no limitations, just those in our minds." What can't you do / have / be?

There are impossible things like as a mature adult start growing again a few inches taller. I know that in China they operate on people to make them taller, but this is besides the point. You cannot resurrect a deceased relative/friend. So you need to set realistic targets for yourself once you have recognised your limiting beliefs.

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Hi there Uniquesoul,
Just to say, I disagree with what you say, well partially anyway. I know this is your scientific brain at work, and that part I can agree with. There are laws of nature (or laws of science, or whatever we want to call them). However those are mere limitations of the mind, just as Napoleon Hill says.
Why? Well, we all agree that human beings cannot fly (well not yet anyway). However humans have always had a dream of flying. In the 1700's someone (can't remember who) managed to glide by imitating birds and creating artificial wings - a kind of flying. The Wright brothers went a step further and added power, they took humans flying a step further. We have since flown into space. Thus by expanding our definition of flight, we can now claim humans can fly. At this point in time, to suggest that humans can't fly is merely nitpicking about what definition of flying we use. It is semantics, not laws of science we are talking about.

We can apply the same logic to growing a few inches taller. Wear high heels for example (more feasible if you are female in our society - but see that is just another example of a societal limitation, not a law). Psychologically there is another way to grow a few inches taller - grow your self esteem, feel taller, grow up, take your rightful space.

In the end it is all an argument of semantics, wordology, if you prefer. We make the definitions, and some of us get stuck because we believe our mental definitions. Others, the creative ones, try to expand the definition, to get beyond the limitation. The choice is ours. Just as Napoleon Hill says, "There are no limitations, just those in our minds."

Regarding 'realistic targets', Uniquesoul, I believe this is just another mental boundary or limitation. Who decides what is realistic and what isn't? Listen to Jack Canfield's wonderful story of the Australian farmer or some kind of hill-billy who ran faster and further and thus won the race because he didn't "know" he should rest at night.

Regarding realistic targets, there is no hard and fast rule. No scientific law if you prefer. For some of us who live within very narrow parameters (boundaries / limitations) our scope to set high targets is small. For people like Canfield, Richard Branson, Edison and those who have the mental faculties to push beyond 'normal' human limits, then the rewards are HUGE. This is what ES is all about. The Big Leap, ditto. It is about knocking those fictitious 'laws / limits' and playing in the field of make-believe (absolute creativity where no laws hold) and finding what lies beyond.

So, Mim (who is currently manifesting 100,000 dollars within a month - see thread from yesterday by Mim), take courage and determination from this discussion. Doubt is what lies between success and failure. If we can reduce doubt and increase belief, we can creatively transcend limitations putting us in a realm where all manner of wonders can occur.

Go for that 100,000 dollars. Open to receive, for the world is limitlessly abundant. Open your mind, blow away your limitations, and riches shall truely be yours. Obviously how your unconscious mind decides to deliver those riches is as yet unknown. It could be a small augmentation in income (as I have manifested), or lucrative offers of work (as I have manifested but in the wrong field for me), or it could be in an idea worth 100,000 dollars or thereabouts (and I have those all the time, I just haven't implemented them yet), or it could be converting an asset into capital (as I am currently doing by selling a house surplace to our needs). Or something else that fits your belief pattern.

Like Mim, my goal is to obtain the outrageous, to claim a wonderful, joyful, abundant life. For me that means witnessing a lot of limited thinking and then reframing those limitations into 'unlimited thoughts'. I don't care if those limits were self-taught, imparted by others, or are our current understanding of what is 'the law', if they stand in my way, they are hurdles to getting to where I want to be.

By the way, Gay Hendrick's advice is to see limitations, acknowledge them, wave to them, and just get on with achieving your master plan. In Susan Jeffers words, Feel the fear, and do it anyway.

A final point, Uniquesoul. I too believe in science and psychology is my metier. My passion is research. Hence I believe in the value of disciplined research as a means for furthering knowledge. However the dream of every researcher is to test those boundaries, to find new patterns of data, to take our understanding from where it is not just one step further. Thus science, too, has a focus on determining a limitation, understanding how it works, and then seeing what happens when we move beyond it: finding the next boundary.

Here's to a day without boundaries. Imagine a world without limits.... what could happen!!
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Uniquesoul

Another way of looking at the perceived limitation of wanting to grow a couple of inches could be to look at why you believe those few inches will make a difference in your life- or what is the 'feeling' you will have when you are 2 inches taller- and then realize that you do not need to be two inches taller to enjoy that life experience. If you think the 2 inches will make you more attractive- then that belief is limiting you from recognizing the beauty you have-
You cannot bring back a deceased friend- but you can bring the feeling of love and companionship you shared with them back into your life.

i believe it is all in your perspective and perception of your limits.

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Ah, Uniquesoul!
You have stirred up quite a response!
I had a similar sense of objection to your comment here. I guess you are demonstrating a 'limiting belief' of your own, heh?
But thank you for doing so. As I read and felt responses, I observed something going on in me that I hope will help me work through the underlying skepticism and low self-value that I have used to sabotage my progress for so long.
I just read a support letter from Bill Harris (Holosync) that opened my eyes to a new thought. It says, "The ways in which we are tempted to go unconscious are infinitely subtle. A great deal of self-honesty and conscious awareness are required in order to recognize these distractions for what they are. Sex, drugs, alcohol, television, music, food, sports, negative attitudes, anger, dissociation, talking, reading, mental analysis, sleep, sickness, injury, illness..."
I had recognized most of the things he mentioned on that list as distractions that many people use (including some I have used and use myself) to avoid conscious recognition and/or confrontation of what is going on inside. I have only just been becoming aware that the use of 'scientific reality' testing is another one of those distractions that tempts us 'to go unconscious.' But I had never really thought of 'mental analysis' as one of them. Now I have something else to observe.
Best wishes for the creation of an expanding and marvelous day!
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Greetings All,

This discussion raises some important questions:

1) What is our intent in doing the ES course? Is it to get what we want or is it to express who we truly are in the world? I think these two have a relationship, but I don't think they are necessarily the same thing.

2) When is a perceived limitation something that we are simply creating with our thoughts and when is it the recognition of a deeper reality being expressed? I think there is a fine line between "can do" thinking and hubris, between "limited thinking" and "seeing what is".

3) Are we operating from fear or love? I think it's possible to manifest what we think we want from either place (the question is: What are the consequences?") I also think it's possible to not be able to manifest what we think we want from either place.

I have probably said this before, but for me the keystone of the ES course is ASKING - Not only asking for what we want, but also asking for guidance toward getting what we want. In addition, Jack and Paul give some lip service to a third aspect of asking, and that is something like - asking to be shown what are our TRUE goals. It is this aspect of asking that holds the most curiosity for me.

What if my thinking mind isn't wise enough to know what's best for me? What if my ideas of what I think I want are all about my ego, my fear, my insecurity? On the other side of the coin, what if I am avoiding asking for (or even becoming conscious of) the very thing that would allow me to more fully embody WHO I REALLY AM and express it in the world?

My opinion is that our minds (by that I mean business as usual thinking, not deeper intuition or "inner guidance") often don't know what's best for us. They are conditioned to come up with goals that really aren't in our best interest (or are harmful to others or to the planet) or, alternatively, they are patterned to keep us from recognizing the goals that quicken our spirits and bring life to others and to the Earth itself.

What it all boils down to, for me at least, is DO I HAVE THE COURAGE TO LET SOMETHING GREATER THAN MY OWN IDEAS ABOUT WHO I THINK I AM AND HOW I THINK THE WORLD OPERATES RUN THE SHOW? What, then, might I accomplish that I never would have though possible (or even conceived of)? And what goal might I let go of accomplishing, for the benefit of all concerned, that I have long cherished and attached my identity to?

Do I have the courage to ask? Just as important, do I have the courage to listen to what comes back and then act on it?

These are some of my questions.

Best to all,
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What it all boils down to, for me at least, is DO I HAVE THE COURAGE TO LET SOMETHING GREATER THAN MY OWN IDEAS ABOUT WHO I THINK I AM AND HOW I THINK THE WORLD OPERATES RUN THE SHOW? What, then, might I accomplish that I never would have though possible (or even conceived of)? And what goal might I let go of accomplishing, for the benefit of all concerned, that I have long cherished and attached my identity to?

Best to all,
Stevers


Or do I have the courage to think, feel and know from within 'on my own entirely' and be responsible thereto for an eon or two?

Deferring to an 'higher Self or higher power' can just be another cop out, another opening to being manipulated. You are divine now, deal with it.

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Yukala,

I have read your response to my post, and I am noticing I'm feeling quite angry. I have some questions for you.

Just what do you mean by "on my own entirely"? Are you saying that asking for inspiration/integrating guidance (a foundational aspect of Jack Canfield's approach in the Effortless Success course, which is what this forum is about) isn't part of your process?

How is it for you that the process of acknowledging a wisdom beyond our typical (and I would argue habitual and limited) thought patterns can be "another cop out, another opening to be manipulated"? What is that about for you?

On what do you base your assumption that I don't see myself as already divine?

Finally, what was your intent, in the first place, with your response to my post? Are you wanting to contribute to a discussion regarding putting the principles of the Effortless Success system into action, or are you just being provocative? Are you even doing the course?

My request is that you respect the purpose of this forum, which is to give and receive support to/from those who are working with Learning Strategies Effortless Success program. If you have a philosophical difference with something as fundamental to the course as "incorporating inner guidance", then I also request you take accountability for that and express yourself accordingly, and not by deliberately singling out and taking exception to something I, or anyone else in this forum, has said.

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Yukala,

I have read your response to my post, and I am noticing I'm feeling quite angry. I have some questions for you.

Just what do you mean by "on my own entirely"? Are you saying that asking for inspiration/integrating guidance (a foundational aspect of Jack Canfield's approach in the Effortless Success course, which is what this forum is about) isn't part of your process?

How is it for you that the process of acknowledging a wisdom beyond our typical (and I would argue habitual and limited) thought patterns can be "another cop out, another opening to be manipulated"? What is that about for you?

On what do you base your assumption that I don't see myself as already divine?

Finally, what was your intent, in the first place, with your response to my post? Are you wanting to contribute to a discussion regarding putting the principles of the Effortless Success system into action, or are you just being provocative? Are you even doing the course?

My request is that you respect the purpose of this forum, which is to give and receive support to/from those who are working with Learning Strategies Effortless Success program. If you have a philosophical difference with something as fundamental to the course as "incorporating inner guidance", then I also request you take accountability for that and express yourself accordingly, and not by deliberately singling out and taking exception to something I, or anyone else in this forum, has said.

Stevers




I gave you a ten year short cut. (because I saw in your post my-self many moons back)

"You are divine already, deal with it."

Be pissed, asking for help is not needful. You are the 'One'.

Be it!!!

...besides how do you know, I am not your accountability partner in disguise, or as well some wandering menacing angel?
;\)

Either way 'ALL is You', unfold it as you can see fit.

...and I go my way like a wisp of vaporous cloud.




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Yukala,

You gave me a ten year shortcut, eh? Perhaps, but, nevertheless, your manner of communication leaves me with a bad aftertaste and a lingering sense of sadness. Here was an opportunity for you to come out of hiding, get real, and be in relationship, and instead you chose to simply reaffirm your own spiritual philosophy (rife with a kind of condescending cleverness) and then "...go your way like a wisp of a vaporous cloud".

Talk about a cop out.

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Yukala,

You gave me a ten year shortcut, eh? Perhaps, but, nevertheless, your manner of communication leaves me with a bad aftertaste and a lingering sense of sadness. Here was an opportunity for you to come out of hiding and get real and instead you chose to simply reaffirm your own spiritual philosophy (rife with a kind of condescending cleverness) and then "...go your way like a wisp of a vaporous cloud".

Talk about a cop out.

Stevers


I do not think I am taking this all that seriously as you might appear to be?

I said the affirmation all night and this morning and it serves me well. I usually post 'only for that reason'.

Besides, playing nice would be a cop out in my manual.

Challenge usually produces better, faster and more adroit results.

You have fine aspirations as per your posts, then I see you also possess the skills and attributes that match them.

Even if it seems I only 'pissed' on them, they will still grow. (I have dogs).

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Yukala,

Perhaps you should consider taking this more, and not less seriously. We are talking about your life, after all, as well as mine. While in the absolute sense it is not at all serious, there are times when it takes a kind of earnestness (seriousness if you like) to cut through the BS. We are both divine and human, and the human includes many areas that you might call messy (like relationship, for instance) that require a repertoire that includes both levity and gravity. Recognizing what is needed at any given time is wisdom.

I had no idea you were affirming anything as part of this process; this is the first I have heard of it. I am glad to hear that you aren't simply some self-improvement forum voyeur.

As far your thoughts about "playing nice" and challenge, I think you might have some unchallenged assumptions in your thinking about what it takes to wake up out of our trances and live our lives. I have found it quite possible to be warm, friendly, and supportive without shying away from being respectfully challenging. I have also found that eliciting another person's permission (on some level, at least) is an important part of that process, one that, in my opinion, you jumped right over with me.

As far as your pissing on my aspirations, I have no idea what you're talking about. All I know is that your posts have felt odd to me, dissonant and inappropriate.

I would invite you to look at how you are, perhaps, using humor as an avoidance of deepening your relationship with yourself, and, in turn, others.

Stevers




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Greetings Stevers!

Perhaps, but it is what I have to offer.

This fine affirmation speaks for itself and I am quite keen to take it back and keep using it.

That is the connection take it or leave it, 'we are divine and dealing with it daily'.

You seem a refined soul, I am not usually and have found I make fine progress there with.

Each to each, One Whole Complete.

Myriad blessings,

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Yukala,

I leave you to your own experiment, then. May it serve you well.

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Yukala,

I leave you to your own experiment, then. May it serve you well.

Stevers


Thanks!
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Yukala, I find myself responding to your comment with various thoughts. At present, I am thinking that you apparently are not willing to exercise the 'courage' Stevers refers to. Perhaps he has been living with the perspective you describe as 'being on your own entirely' and finds it a challenge to accept guidance from sources with command of a greater view than his own.
Perhaps, on the other hand, you have been living from another perspective - perhaps one in which you have felt obligated to follow others' directions. For you the exercise of 'courage' is more related to taking personal responsibility for your decisions and subsequent actions.
I suspect that exercising our divinity demands a combination of those two (and many other) perspectives in ever expanding ways.
May you create for yourself and others a divine day.
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Strange interactions going on here.
The only comment I have is I agree with you Yukala, Stevers is a refined soul. Take genuine pleasure in that, Stevers. I value your input always! You are thinking, sharing your insights, and challenging us to think too. Hurrah! I want lots more of that on the forum.

Interesting notion this of us being part of greatness or separate from it (my take on Stevers 3 questions). Bill Harris has lots of ideas on this and I re-listened to his online course. Duality and non-duality. Also the freebie I got with the last Holosync level (Big Mind seminar) kind of deals with this too. It was about people owning disowned, separate, unknown aspects of themselves. The participants stepped into the persona of their 'violent' self, their 'controller' self etc. and spoke from that perspective. In so doing, they gained understanding, accepted aspects of themselves they previously ignored or disowned. This resulted in powerful experiences for the participant. [Very simplified explanation, this!]

From my own perspective, I have been consistently concentrating on developing affirmations that really uplift and motivate me. They encompass what I want to be/do/have. Obviously I am attempting to reprogram my unconscious for the better, so all parts of me work in harmony to attain all manner of good things. Just five days into the affirmation routine - call this reprogramming as it involves a lot of repetition, visualisation and feeling - I have started to witness my negativity as it occurs. These gentle prompts seem to be issuing from my unconscious. I might say something like, "I had an awful time with...." and the prompt floated into my mind that 'awful' was not the correct word, and I felt challenged to reflect on exactly what kind of time I had honestly experienced.

With reference to duality: I also have such a vague relationship with my unconscious (UC) that I don't know how to address it/me. I notice Napoleon Hill chats and repremands and exhorts his unconscious like an old and very trusted buddy. Right now I am trying to extend a gentle hand of friendship to my UC. I am sorry I have got myself/us into this dualistic state. No wonder I can experience chaos, havoc, negativity.... I think my various persona are often at odds, so what I actually create is probably a result of mixed messages. I believe that if I can genuinely like, love, respect and appreciate my UC (which after all is 5 6ths of my mind) this can only be beneficial. One bit of feedback is that my unconscious mind does not appreciate this title. I am trying out new names, like genius mind, true self, infinite intelligence....

Well, guess what! The right name was prompted into consciousness this very second. UC wants to be my PARTNER.
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French Claire -
I love the partner thought.
I am a staunch believer in what many would call an anthropomorphized supreme intelligence. I call my God 'Heavenly Father.' This at once identifies me as of divine origin and divine potential and recognizes a source of caring, supportive, protective, and creative energy with which I can communicate to work through difficult times, rejoice in good times, and give and receive appreciation.
Some time ago I created a screen saver for my computer monitor that read "Heavenly Father loves me." After using it for some time, I felt it had served its purpose and created a new one. It says "I partner with my Heavenly Father." It's something I am still involved with bringing into conscious awareness as I evolve and create my days.
Thank you for the reminder.
May you create a beautiful (partnership) day!
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Always enjoy your posts, they often mirror my own thoughts at the time. As for your "Big 3" questions I have actually been releasing on those very topics in the past two weeks. Please bear w me - I don't post a lot of but today I seem to have a lot to say, and if it is of benefit, all the better!

I found myself a bit overwhelmed with ES at first, a lot of resistance to feeling I "deserved" effortless success - in many forms. Interestingly, the goals that were my most pressing became stagnant, while a less pressing one - my health, working out, better diet - just took off! I exercise everyday wo any resistance, and dont even want many of the snackies I used to.

But back to your Big 3. Philosophically/spiritually speaking, from what I've learned in my life so far, the mind/ego creates a million ways to distract us from our true selves, primarily because a) much of the mind's function is to solve problems of this world, the one of separation, and b) because it is of that world, it incorrectly fears it wont be needed if we discover Oneness, and therefore creates more problems to keep us focused on it's unique talent - to solve problems after lot of hard work, dithering, and doubt!

Bottom line, we need all facets of our being, but we feel incomplete because we are only utilizing the basics learned through ego. Once we "lift the veil" we have access to what has always there, our higher self, our unconscious, our complete being. I consider this being to actually be the guide I'm looking for and that I currently don't recognize within me. I know I could have direct access but am still getting used to that - right now it's as if I need to dial a phone number and hope my call gets thru - to myself! And likewise, once you are linked into the higher self, you ARE rejoined to the One, and then your inner/outer guidance system is whole and complete. Not to say others in our lives may not provide guidance us as well - on the contrary, I believe when we are in the One, those folks arrive much more quickly, along with signposts, etc., to help us on our paths. The ultimate network.

Now, let me jump off my philosophical/spiritual soap box and over to my practical soapbox... Tho I know all this, it doesn't mean I can just let it go however; perhaps you have a bit of that as well? Not through stubbornness, more a lifetime of using a certain set of beliefs and life tools, deeply ingrained. Typical beliefs that limit us and "keep us safe" - another of our mind/ego's goals. Our mind/ego is all about survival - it just doesn't want us to get hurt. Thinking outside the box, taking a risk with career, relationships, whatever... one of its best tools to keep us from getting "hurt" is DOUBT. Another one focusing on other's goals for you (dad always wanted me to be...) since they appear to be safe/sanctioned by an authority figure.
I had purchased the Sedona Method same time as ES, thinking to do ES first along with everyone else, and then TSM later. I found I was creating an anxiety within me in regard to ES that I couldn't shake. I found myself really questioning my beliefs in myself, whether I had the "right" goals, why wasn't I at stage XYZ etc, etc. etc. etc. etc. ETC!!! \:\)

All that is actually great, as things that come up, come up for healing... but I need some assistance in working thru it. For me the answer seems to be The Sedona Method. A few weeks ago, I finally allowed some inner guidance to steer me toward TSM - I needed it NOW, I felt I had too many blocks to allow ES to play out freely. I had bought both together (there are no coincidences in life) but I see now my ego steered me toward ES -I wanted success NOW - I'd just do the inner healing stuff later. Ha!

I have not stopped any of the daily affirmations, mirror exercises, some daily disciplines etc. from ES - I have however stopped trying so hard to create that "perfect goal" and concrete plans of action while doing TSM. After studying TSM over the past week or two, I am now adding "active" ES items back into my day. Also I am not trying to push TSM, it is simply something that is working for me, I know there are plenty of other modalities by which to heal.

So for me, has been very refreshing, freeing, and fantastic to release all that self-created anxiety. And the techniques are such you can do them real-time throughout the day as needed - just a minute. Some of the TSM teachings I knew - but forgot - and many other things have been brought to light for me. Lot's of aha moments. It's so simple - it's all about just releasing all that holds us back as it comes up.

You're Big 3 seems to dovetail right into what I've been learning thru TSM. That so much more is possible than what we think is, and also how to accept what really is, let it go, and THEN completely new possibilities open up. Identifying when a goal is truly ours or someone else's and releasing wo any fallout. By releasing all our attraction and aversion to things/events/people, we can approach life - always - from our highest self, for our greatest good, from love.

I feel I have a cleaner slate to build ES on. I'm not "thinking" so much about consequence, what if, or am I on the right path. All of which were paralyzing to me. I feel more like I "just know" or that things will come to me when I need them.

Feeling lighter and more in the flow - happy weekend to all
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In reading this thread, and the revelations present in it, I find it encouraging that we are all growing with this course. We each have our own stars to reach for, but the bumpy journey seems to be a shared one.

I am realizing how difficult is is to 'allow' and receive the benefits that are flowing in my direction. And I am pleasantly surprised each time I trust the process and great things arrive in my life- but then I go right back to trying to make things happen the way I think they should again!

Thank you all for the brilliance you share!

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 Originally Posted By: French Claire
Hi there Uniquesoul,
Just to say, I disagree with what you say, well partially anyway. I know this is your scientific brain at work, and that part I can agree with. There are laws of nature (or laws of science, or whatever we want to call them). However those are mere limitations of the mind, just as Napoleon Hill says.
Why? Well, we all agree that human beings cannot fly (well not yet anyway). However humans have always had a dream of flying. In the 1700's someone (can't remember who) managed to glide by imitating birds and creating artificial wings - a kind of flying. The Wright brothers went a step further and added power, they took humans flying a step further. We have since flown into space. Thus by expanding our definition of flight, we can now claim humans can fly. At this point in time, to suggest that humans can't fly is merely nitpicking about what definition of flying we use. It is semantics, not laws of science we are talking about.

We can apply the same logic to growing a few inches taller. Wear high heels for example (more feasible if you are female in our society - but see that is just another example of a societal limitation, not a law). Psychologically there is another way to grow a few inches taller - grow your self esteem, feel taller, grow up, take your rightful space.

In the end it is all an argument of semantics, wordology, if you prefer. We make the definitions, and some of us get stuck because we believe our mental definitions. Others, the creative ones, try to expand the definition, to get beyond the limitation. The choice is ours. Just as Napoleon Hill says, "There are no limitations, just those in our minds."

Regarding 'realistic targets', Uniquesoul, I believe this is just another mental boundary or limitation. Who decides what is realistic and what isn't? Listen to Jack Canfield's wonderful story of the Australian farmer or some kind of hill-billy who ran faster and further and thus won the race because he didn't "know" he should rest at night.

Regarding realistic targets, there is no hard and fast rule. No scientific law if you prefer. For some of us who live within very narrow parameters (boundaries / limitations) our scope to set high targets is small. For people like Canfield, Richard Branson, Edison and those who have the mental faculties to push beyond 'normal' human limits, then the rewards are HUGE. This is what ES is all about. The Big Leap, ditto. It is about knocking those fictitious 'laws / limits' and playing in the field of make-believe (absolute creativity where no laws hold) and finding what lies beyond.

A final point, Uniquesoul. I too believe in science and psychology is my metier. My passion is research. Hence I believe in the value of disciplined research as a means for furthering knowledge. However the dream of every researcher is to test those boundaries, to find new patterns of data, to take our understanding from where it is not just one step further. Thus science, too, has a focus on determining a limitation, understanding how it works, and then seeing what happens when we move beyond it: finding the next boundary.



There are physical limitations, which we can overcome via technology. This is the case of flying. None of us can do it unaided as nature has created us terrestrial animals. Leonardo da Vinci created wings to be fitted to human for them to fly. I am sure you can glide down with them, but I doubt you can use them to move up sharply like birds can.

We can swim, but we can't dive deeply like dolphins and staying under water with them. This is why we need to keep to realistic goals or use a scale like MTO (minimum, target, outrageous). There are an infinite number of goals we can set for ourselves to create a great and fulfilling life. The main point is creating the appropriate action. Jack recommends it ES and so do many other today as the gurus of the past did too (like Napoleon Hill).

You can test lots of emotional boundaries and this is the point of The Big Leap, which explores the topic in a very fascinating and apt way. Gay helps us to understand why we fall from grace, how to avoid it and what to do when it happens.

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A few weeks ago, I finally allowed some inner guidance to steer me toward TSM - I needed it NOW, I felt I had too many blocks to allow ES to play out freely. I had bought both together (there are no coincidences in life) but I see now my ego steered me toward ES -I wanted success NOW - I'd just do the inner healing stuff later. Ha!

I have not stopped any of the daily affirmations, mirror exercises, some daily disciplines etc. from ES - I have however stopped trying so hard to create that "perfect goal" and concrete plans of action while doing TSM. After studying TSM over the past week or two, I am now adding "active" ES items back into my day. Also I am not trying to push TSM, it is simply something that is working for me, I know there are plenty of other modalities by which to heal.

So for me, has been very refreshing, freeing, and fantastic to release all that self-created anxiety. And the techniques are such you can do them real-time throughout the day as needed - just a minute. Some of the TSM teachings I knew - but forgot - and many other things have been brought to light for me. Lot's of aha moments. It's so simple - it's all about just releasing all that holds us back as it comes up.

You're Big 3 seems to dovetail right into what I've been learning thru TSM. That so much more is possible than what we think is, and also how to accept what really is, let it go, and THEN completely new possibilities open up. Identifying when a goal is truly ours or someone else's and releasing wo any fallout. By releasing all our attraction and aversion to things/events/people, we can approach life - always - from our highest self, for our greatest good, from love.

I feel I have a cleaner slate to build ES on. I'm not "thinking" so much about consequence, what if, or am I on the right path. All of which were paralyzing to me. I feel more like I "just know" or that things will come to me when I need them.



Col,

Thanks for taking the time to articulate your philosophy and your experience. Although I don't do the Sedona Method myself (Lately I've been working with something called The Feeling Exercise from the Abundance for Life Course - similar intent, just a different form), you are definitely speaking to one of the themes that show up for me around those questions I was posing a few posts back.

Emotional Intelligence seems have become something of a buzz phrase in a lot of self-improvement circles these days, but I think it is with good reason. My core teacher often says that one of indicators that you are somehow deluding yourself is an experience of emotional dissonance. Feeling scared, anxious, angry, sad, etc. can be symptoms of an internal misalignment with what we know to be true. In other words, our thoughts are getting in the way of our seeing reality. This isn't a hard and fast rule, but I find it to be a helpful guideline.

What I find works best for me is an absolute willingness and commitment to experience the feeling combined with a curiosity to know what's really true. Sedona Method, The Feeling Exercise, and something else I sometimes work with called The Complete Acceptance Process (from a Learning Strategies sponsored program I worked with a few years ago called "The Effort Free Life System") all seem to aim at reclaiming the energy bound up in the feeling. I find that sometimes that is enough in itself, but I find there are other times where I need to be more active in asking, "How am I deluding myself right now?" or "What thought am I believing that is creating this upset?" For me, it has become a matter of both wanting to be free of the effects of the "negative" and wanting to see though the feeling it to it's origin, so as to pull it out of the ground of my habitual thinking by its very roots.

I think part of what prevented my from being successful in the past, was my refusal to take these "re-routing/re-committing" opportunities more seriously. I, too, wanted success NOW, and I was willing to plow through my fears, doubts, and anxieties to go for the gold. Only problem was, I never got there. I think there are some people who are able to get what they want (or at least what they think they want) despite whatever emotional issues might surface for them. I also think there are some people who don't even register these kinds of emotions (which doesn't necessarily mean they aren't there). But the fact is, I'm not hooked up that way, and if there is anything I've learned is that "not doing the inner healing stuff" is simply not a viable option for me.

At the same time, what I have observed is that when an individual achieves their goals but doesn't address the emotional aspects of their success-seeking process, it still creates backlash for somebody or something within the ecosystem of relationships. Put more simply, IT JUST AIN'T SUSTAINABLE. My opinion is that we are now seeing the consequences of this on a global scale (I won't turn this into a rant by listing the litany of unsustainable activities that have reached epic and planet threatening proportions. You get the idea). I have decided I can't and won't be part of this, and I am learning that my emotions are among my greatest of allies.

Thanks again for your willingness to look into yourself and share what you see.

Blessings,
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Hi there,

I'm actually working on session 1 of course 2, "turn around your limiting beliefs". I have the impression that it's rather tricky for me to identify the limiting beliefs. I'm quite sure that I have some unknown ones and these are supposed to the most limiting ones due to just that nature. My list of restricting statements often heard when growing up is quite short (another belief? ;-) at least the ones I can remember.

Any ideas of how to deal with that?
Any list of limiting beliefs for "inspiration"?
Any list of restricting statements when growing up?

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You might consider attending some hypnosis sessions. I heard a fascinating course recebtly by Gale Glassner Twersky in which she tells of some of her clients, with recurring problems, but it was only through hypnosis where they found out things about htemselves they had hidden away since childhood - patterns that were set in place in our first five years, for reasons that are now long forgotten, yet the pattern persists.

I have also hears it said, simply, that anything you have and don't want, or anything you don't have an want, is a product of your limiting beliefs. That's the theory. I haven't quite worked out the practical stuff yet either...

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 Originally Posted By: Margaret Ida
Yukala, I find myself responding to your comment with various thoughts. At present, I am thinking that you apparently are not willing to exercise the 'courage' Stevers refers to. Perhaps he has been living with the perspective you describe as 'being on your own entirely' and finds it a challenge to accept guidance from sources with command of a greater view than his own.
Perhaps, on the other hand, you have been living from another perspective - perhaps one in which you have felt obligated to follow others' directions. For you the exercise of 'courage' is more related to taking personal responsibility for your decisions and subsequent actions.
I suspect that exercising our divinity demands a combination of those two (and many other) perspectives in ever expanding ways.
May you create for yourself and others a divine day.
Margaret Ida


Hi Ida!

I will not speak to ‘noble soul’ whom I already bantered with, but I found your post insightful.

The rest of the posters on this thread are ‘muddled’. A simple observation.

You have heart, keen intelligence and the witness of the written posts to ‘know’ another here.

You point out well the extreme quandary facing all spirits everywhere.

Asking for help from that which is perceived as On High and Benign or develop ones self to being On High and Benign. However, you think I am ‘reacting’ to prior stimulus and perhaps have not well thought out my course without uncomely stress?

The two courses will war against each other for a very long eon or several for that matter. And yet, no matter ones approach to ‘Those’ perceived as truly Great we will never reach them unless they FALL, for indeed as we approach they ‘recede’ as all beneath them contributes and as well God grows!

A fine quote to our mystery here. And I trust each to take this as it pleases them:


“No matter the merits of thy teaching
All of it will eventually bind
For each soul is divine
And must unfold this Mystery alone, One”


The roots of this passage older then any civilization now extant times 5.

And two other but not so old quotes:

“The only thing that comes by no effort is decay”
"Any heaven that admits you where you received 'help' is not Heaven"

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Yukala,
I loved that quote:
“The only thing that comes by no effort is decay”
When I feel crotchety and hard done by at having to make yet another effort, I'll look at your quote (which I'm putting on my office wall) and smile.
Gay Hendricks said that some people are strongly motivated if they move TOWARDS a goal, while others operate better if they MOVE AWAY from something they strongly don't want. This quote marries both polarities: when I make an effort I take a step away from decay and towards my goal.
I hope you don't find this "muddled" too!
Adieu,
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For uncovering limiting beliefs you can use this method.

Get a sheet of paper and write down what it is you are affirming. Like I have a New car... and pay attention to the first thought comes to mind. which might be something like yeah right that bomb isn't new it's more than 10 years old.
Repeat I have a new car.. write the next one. Where did you get the money to buy it? ...There's a limiting belief.. no money... gives you something else to take through the process.

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Beliefs are deep rooted in all of us, however, many are distorted, while others are down right false. If you search for the truth, you will find it. Listen to your inter-self, your feelings and always remain open and willing to change. When a belief comes to mind, ask yourself if this is a limiting you in some way. When the answer comes, trust it!
I think I can truthfully say that most of the beliefs we learned in our youth was junk. Once you discover a belief that is limiting, a new belief will take its place. One that you can trust.

For example: If one believes that all good things come to those who wait, can change to "all good things come to those who take the proper action."


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Hi Duane

I am working on three Learning Strategies courses at present, Abundance for Life being one of them, Genius Code being another. Both rely on being able to link to the inner mind to develop different aspects that assist in daily living.

But I have real issues connecting, and am never sure if what I feel is intuition or simply my conscious mind planting something such that it might be intuition when in fact it is not, and is a continuation of a current belief or pattern of behaviour.

From your post, you have been able to make the connection and thus hear the answers you need to move forward in your life. What did you do to achieve this? I know that I have many limiting beliefs, but there must be those that exist about which I know nothing. I know I need to deal with these so that I can make progress, but how to discover them is my big issue.

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One way to gauge if you are connecting to your intuition or just your negative voice. Does the voice speak kindly and gently. The little loud voice we often hear has negative messages, You're stupid, you're doing it wrong, if you don't.... you'll be sorry.

Your intuition will never try to coerce you. It's like a sparkling light trying to trigger your attention on an Easter Egg hunt. It speaks softly, tries to give you an idea. If the idea excites you look closely at it and watch out for the loud little voice talking it down.

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Well, I had a friend that moved to Canada several years ago. He loved horror movies, so he knew when his internal voice spoke to him in somewhat spooky way, he had to listen to it. In fact, listening to that voice he quit his job he didn't like, joined a company that made car tuning here, and went to work there with almost no salary. After he gained some experience, he got paid more, then met a girl here and left to live in Canada, and as far as I know, he works also in car tuning somewhere in Montreal now, and enjoys every minute of his life.

What I want to say is that you have to be comfortable with that internal voice of intuition, and everything will be OK then!

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Limiting beliefs, wow!
Well a limiting belief is everything that you accept and take for granted. The human being is full of limiting beliefs from Christianity, Islam and whatever religion you can think of. However, in order to erase limiting beliefs you have to question them look for their respective emptiness and begin to forge a new set of beliefs that will replace the one that existed, if needed. Religion is the major forger and creator of limiting beliefs. It you take for example, the seven deadly sins, they are limiting beliefs. You cannot love beauty, you cannot eat well, you cannot have desire, etc, etc, etc. If you violate them you go straight to hell. Also, you take the writings of Augustine of Hippo which became the church canonical laws and tenements try to find logic and reason within them and you will end up empty handed. To discard all those limiting beliefs takes a while, specially if you do not analyze them and voluntarily discard them.

I am no here to create a discussion about the validity of religion, that is left to you reader as a personal discussion with yourself.

As long as people function in an automatic mode, limiting beliefs will surface here and there at the least expected moment and place. When they surface, they have to be dealt with brutal honesty and analyze them dispassionately.

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