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Hello again...

HenryTX2002, I'm in a club in Europe, and don't seem to have the connection to Houston/Austin.. But the lairs in USA that I know about is here:

A-T-L-A-S Atlanta Lair http://groups.yahoo.com/group/A-T-L-A-S/

ArizonaPUA
Arizonas Lair. http://www.arizonapua.com/

Boston PUA Society http://www.bostonpuasociety.com/

Nashville Lair http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NashvilleLair/
Ohio Lair http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ohiolair/

p-l-a-y Player's Los Angeles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/p-l-a-y/

vasf Vancouver ASF http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vasf/

Maybe you can find a good lair there... If you're not too far away from them.

Have you tried Instantanous Personal Magnetism, because you talk about that others don't seem to like you.. That you don't radiate good energy..

What about joining a club like tennis club, or a team sport club, where you have to work together with some people in a sport.. Any club is a good at thing to get to know other people.. Or just a hang out club of any kind... Try and try and try...

A good thing is that if you are afraid that they don't like you, then try to build rapport with them imidietly when you meet them.. I do that when that happens.. I do that when I meet new people.. Everytime they quickly begins to like me.. takes me in as partner.. Like copying how they stand physically, and where they have their hands or/and copying their tonality of their voice.. This is almost undetectable.. Aand just building good rapport.. That you can speak with them in their world.. That you understand their world also builds good rapport..

Anyway.. have not bin so much out in the street lately to say hi to women.. And you are probably right Alex.. About talking about the enviroment and other things like that. That they don't get that much often.. Also I have read about good openers, like going over to a girl, and ask her: "Hello.. Can I have a womans opinion? Who lies the most? Men or Women?..." and later "Who lies the best?". And if you are lucky they opens up.. Have only tried that once yet.. But it felt so uncomfortable to say somthing that you have planned, but the good PU's (good seducers) are good at it.. Also at patterns and stories, that build a really good connection to them...

In my club most of them do the direct approach.. But it takes some guts.. Just going up to the lady and say "Hi.. woow you look really beutiful. I'm just dying to meet you.. My name is..", and being totally direct all the time.. Takes some guts.. Have not done that yet.. but thinking of trying it..

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... Also I have read about good openers, like going over to a girl, and ask her: "Hello.. Can I have a womans opinion? Who lies the most? Men or Women?..." and later "Who lies the best?".

[this is one of the times I wish I could find a nice Spock emoticon, the straight face with the raised eyebrow]

You have to be one heck of a talker and cocky to pull that one off.

One ice breaker with a stranger is... Can you tell me what time it is I think my watch is wrong. Once they tell you the time or not you're open to say thank you and since you have that persons attention ask them something else. It works with either gender if you want a chance to introduce yourself, open so that you have to say thank you for their response.

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Somebody mentioned a lair and then some BRIEF contact for about 1/50 th of them was mentioned.

Since I run the San Diego lair and on top of that run a group that has all the lair presidents I think it is only fair to mention ALL of them.

Lair Information

Across the world, there are groups of men who gather together to help teach, learn, and support one another as they study the art of picking up and seducing women.
Below is a list of known Lairs.

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LAIR LEADERS GROUP

If and ONLY if you are running a lair there is now a yahoo group for
organization ideas for PUA groups. As each lair is different and this
group lets us know what other lairs are doing. No seduction related topics just organization ideas. To join please have them email
RunningaPUAgroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com and then email Nightlife at nightlife858@yahoo.com with an intro of who they are and what lair they are running.

ATLANTA, USA LAIR

I am interested in forming an Atlanta Lair. If interested, please send an e-mail to jospades54321@yahoo.com


AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND LAIR

We have already met-up with couple of local guys and go out and meet women 2-3 times a week. We are willing to meet-up with more guys to share the PU knowledge and experience to improve our game. Those of you who are interested contact us at sexualpredator@em-wave.com

AUSTIN, TEXAS USA LAIR

The Austin Society: We are located in Austin, Texas. Our group is devoted to the development and practice of all styles and methods of seduction arts. We are the largest group in Texas. We are the organizers of the next PUA Summit 2004, to be held here. We are highly organized and highly motivated. We are actively seeking serious and motivated individuals only to join our group. All new candidate members must fill go through a membership process and go out and meet women initiation before they can join. After they are accepted into the group they must fulfill certain requirements to maintain active status in the group, if not they will be removed. If you are interested in joining email Hitcher69 at emmitotter69@hotmail.com for more info.

AUSTRIA, VIENNA
All guys in Austria are welcome (and some Germany and Swiss, too
Regular meetings, closed community, newcomers as pro's welcome....
Homepage: http://www.austrianplayers.com

BLOOMINGTON , IN USA LAIR:

The Bloomington, IN lair for guys interested in attraction/seduction. This is a group made for guys that want to discuss techniques, inner game, make

new friends, and meet up with wings in the Bloomington area. If your interested in subscribing email: b-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

BRAZIL:

To join please send an email to Brazil_P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
(in portuguese)

BOSTON MA USA LAIR

The Boston Lair is now open. The lair is a forum for brothers in the Boston, Rhode Island, and upper New England area to get together and meet others in the game and to build an active community in Boston and the surrounding areas. To subscribe to the Lair, email b-o-s-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.


BUCHAREST, ROMANIA
Those interested might send an e-mail to pintea@gmail.com .


CHICAGO , IL USA LAIR

Contact Paul "La Piovra" at pb@core.com

Since they've just starting to hold meetings, they have a flexible format but as they get more organized they plan to have guest speakers. Anyone who knows a local PUA (not self proclaimed) is encouraged to invite him/ her over to share ideas. Please post all org issues under http://www.Another Seduction Forum.com/cities/Chicago

CHINA (MAINLAND, TAIWAN, HK) LAIR

A list for China based PUA has been set-up. Discuss PU tactics/experiences in China, and meet and practice with other local PUA. Join the group @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PUA-china/join

CONNECTICUT , USA LAIR

Open to PUAs and average frustrated chump who live in CT who are interested in or have real field experience as opposed to keyboard theory. Send an email to don@metrofly.org with your background and experience.

DUBLIN, IRELAND LAIR

To join our Lair in Dublin, Ireland contact Johnny at dublinlair@online.ie


DUTCHSEDUCTION.COM

THE NETHERLANDS AND BELGIUM
Dutch Language Lair (NL Lounge)
Contact Big Bear http://www.DutchSeduction.com

An independent platform for the phenomenon known as "seduction" in the Dutch language with members in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, Belgium and points beyond. Founded in 1999, we are one of the first international groups dedicated to seduction. Our purpose is to help members meet one another and share information and experience.

Membership is open to anyone who lives in the Netherlands or Belgium or is a frequent visitor. However, our membership policy is strict.


GERMANY LAIR

The name of the group is PU_Meetings_Germany. It´s a field oriented group and we welcome everybody from all over Germany to join and attend our meetings which are held in different cities all over Germany. For further information write to: pimpstylez@hotmail.com


HONOLULU, HAWAII USA LAIR

Showing those surfergirls a good time since late '03. Drop an e-mail to lair808@hotmail.com for more info on building sandcastles.

HOUSTON TX, USA LAIR

Houston Brothers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HoustonLair/

Or write to S.S. Brothers at houstontexaslair@yahoo.com

ISRAELI LAIR http://beam.to/PUA-iL
(in Hebrew)

ITALY LAIR


Our goal is to have a lot of FUN!
Why we made up a lair? To keep in touch with each other and to rock the
Italian scene, we want to live like rockstars since we know we DESERVE
IT.
We have had enough of all the boring guys and losers boyfriend out
there that are making womens life a nightmare when they are waiting for US, the playboys.
Join us and we will share with you a lot of secrets that you need to
know to totally transform your life life and get more choise not only
in life but with every relationship.
In order to learn you must be willing to go out with us and try new
stuff asking to yourself:
"what is possible?, what if i get the results i only dreamed for and
then even more than that?"
Send a mail at italy_lair@yahoo.com to join.

KANSAS CITY KANSAS USA LAIR

Looking to get a group of like minded guys together to share ideas and most importantly work the field in Kansas City MO. Write discohornet@yahoo.com and include "From Badboycoaching.com" in the title.

LAS VEGAS NV USA LAIR

Nightlife who runs San Diego is helping a few guys set something up in Vegas so a new group is now forming. To join please send an email LV-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com be prepared to give a brief intro.

LISBON, PORTUGAL LAIR

Fellow Lisbon Sargers

I am now willing to form a Lisbon Lair in Portugal. The benefits of meeting other PUAs or people interested in Pick-Up in general has been stressed by many people in this board and outside. The opinions on the recent LA PUA Summit Are a good pointer that real life discussion favours everyone's game. However, I can't seem to find a Lair in Portugal in all the lists I searched.

The Lair will be used to getting to know other PUAs, discuss tactics and techniques, and mainly to discuss in real life the personal experiences in the field of everyone who actively sarges or wishes to go out and meet women in Lisbon. The pretty little asses walking around this town will thank you for it, rest assured

So, if you are interested in PU (you should, otherwise you wouldn't be reading this board, right? :-]), send a message to:

lx-pua-lair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

In order to subscribe to the group. Knowing other people will really increase everyone's skill levels. Also, if you are not in Lisbon but want to keep up with the scene here either because you are traveling or you're just plain curious about it, feel free to subscribe.

LONDON, ENGLAND LAIR

The London Seduction Society http://www.thelss.com

LOS ANGELES CA USA LAIR

The LA List, PLAY (Player's Los Angeles Yahoo) Group, is a community for Los Angeles area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the LA area. The PLAY List is a community that is open to the public and is a place where you can share your views on any methods in an unmoderated (except for deletion of spam) forum. email p-l-a-y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com to join

MELBOURNE, AUSTRALIA LAIR

The Melbourne Lair is now fully operational. Currently we are meeting once a month, with members hooking up to go sarging between meetings. All styles, ages, and abilities are welcome. To join us contact Craig at cnoodles@bigpond.com.au


MIAMI FL USA LAIR

Contact Jerry at trudelle@email.com to attend.

MILWAUKEE TO MADISON WI USA LAIR

A Lair is start for the Milwaukee to Madison, Wisconsin area. Emphasis will be on field sarging and developing a network of like-minded "wings" to develop and maintain a secret society in this area. We will go out and meet women from the college bars of Madison to the redneck fishermen bars of Lake Country to the cheesy working class discos of Milwaukee. All interested parties (male or female) please contact g66@outgun.com

MINNEAPOLIS/ST.PAUL USA LAIR

Skyler has taken over from Jerry for the Lair in the twin cities of Minneapolis/St Paul. Contact him at skiloa@yahoo.com.

MONTERREY, MEXICO LAIR

Spanish speaking community, we welcome all levels of experience, and are
very motivated on learning and going out and putting everything into practice. Look us up: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SeduccionMexico/

Or write to me directly at: javimartinez50@hotmail.com

MONTREAL CANADA LAIR

Out of town bros are welcome to drop in to meetings. E-mail Cliff at cliff@be-relentless.com for more information.

NASHVILLE TN USA LAIR

Nashville Lair for PUA's and those working to improve their game. We will organize nights of the week to go go out and meet women. This is also a forum to share new ideas, and field reports. The website is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NashvilleLair/

To subscribe write to: NashvilleLair-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

NEW ORLEANS USA LAIR

Joseph is looking to set up or find a "mastermind group" of like-minded people and he is in the south MS area about 1.5 hours drive from New Orleans or the MS gulf coast. He would like to invite anyone in MS/LA/AL within driving distance to participate, and to help him to get it started. Contact him at: veuxdeux@yahoo.com


New York 2 groups now

Our students Strongbad and a few others are in here.
This is the lair the Badboy Crew supports in NY..
NEW YORK, NY USA LAIR

send an email to NY-PLAY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com


NYC:

Contact Marco, marcorulesinfinity@yahoo.com and get on their mailing list: NYCTSF-SUBSCRIBE@YAHOOGROUPS.COM
The list above is the larger and more well known list.

NORTH CAROLINA , USA LAIR

A group is interested in forming a lair in the North Carolina area. Members include attendees of the Charlotte Sargeathon in November 2003. Meetings may rotate through different cities (possibly outside North Carolina) depending on interest. Contact Jason at thee_jacas@yahoo.com with LAIR in the subject line for more information.

NORTH EAST FLORIDA USA LAIR

Based in the Saint Augustine / Jacksonville Florida area but open to other relatively close PUA's. All experience levels, styles and ages welcome. I personally study and focus on the DYD style. Focus on building a network of guys to learn from each other, teach each other, practice all kinds of PU's with (i.e. club, street, malls, friggen yogart shops... whatever), share ideas, techniques and stories and help build each other up to the best we each can be and have a hell of a lot of fun doing so. If interested, send an email to north_fl_lair@webdesignsbyken.com

OKLAHOMA CITY OK, USA LAIR

Lu is looking to start a lair in Oklahoma City, OK. He would like to invite anyone who's interested in going out sarging to join, & help him get the lair started, please respond only if you are interested in Going Out & go out and meet women, or Doing Field Work, contact him at ljp97001@yahoo.com.

ORANGE COUNTY, CA USA LAIR

Join up at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocplayasgroup/

OSLO LAIR

The Oslo Lair just opened. If you are interested / want to join, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Another Seduction Forum-Oslo/ and apply. We will start out with monthly meetings, on the first Sunday of every month.

OTTAWA LAIR

Ottawa Lair yahoo group created http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ottawalair/

PARIS, FRANCE USA LAIR

The Paris Lair is up. Those interested should go visit www.parislair.com and hit the forum on how to join.

We want to keep the lair focused on field work and results. So no keyboards jockeys please. We are a bunch of highly motivated people who share the same passion and help each other to achieve the best possible outcome.

PERTH, AUSTRALIA LAIR

The Perth lair is a small group of people who go out and meet women regularly several times a week. At the moment, I'm actively looking for new members to join us on our outings (the more the merrier!). Anyone wishing to go sarging with us any day of the week should email me at tnejad@hotmail.com to meet up.

PHILADELPHIA LAIR

Looking for a group of guys interested in a Lair in the Philly area. All experience levels welcome but must be willing to actually go into the field. See philadelphiaLair@yahoogroups.com or email me at myaroch@yahoo.com

POLAND LAIR

We've formed a LAIR in Poland http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pflayers/join so if anybody is interested in joining it contact me at PFLayers-owner@yahoogroups.com or subscribe at PFLayers-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. It's unmoderated forum where You can excange your views on the game and meet with wings in your area.

SALT LAKE CITY, UT USA LAIR

Contact Ronnie at ronnie@wbinvestors.com

SAN DIEGO , CA USA LAIR

Nightlife has formed a seduction group in San Diego. This is to benefit guys who are interested in Pick Up who live or frequent San Diego. To join send an email to SD-P-L-A-Y-subscribe@yahoogroups.com It is open to everyone in San Diego.

SAN FRANCISCO, CA USA LAIR

We have a very active group in the San Francisco area dedicated to improving their game. All skill levels and types of game welcome. We have meetings once every 6 weeks or so, and numerous go out and meet women outings. We also have top PUA's share their knowledge with us when they come to San Francisco. Our list traffic is low but valuable. Lots of field reports and feedback. To join send an email to sf_morpheus_x@yahoo.com, and mention you heard about us on Badboycoaching.com forum.


SCOTLAND LAIR:

There is now a Scotland Lair. It's the sSs Group and we have a website at www.scotlandlair.com that we JUST put up. The group is currently yahoo based and we would like to start taking in any members who may or may not have heard about us yet. To join, they can visit sss.scotlandlair.com which will redirect them to our mailing list, or email signup@scotlandlair.com


SEATTLE , WASHINGTON, USA LAIR

I would like to find out how many are interested in forming a Seattle Lair. Contact theloinking1@hotmail.com to get on their mailing list.

SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA LAIR

To join please email j_ta@tpg.com.au

TAMPA/ORLANDO FL USA LAIR

The TOP (Tampa / Orlando Players) Lair is a PUA community for Tampa and Orlando area PUAs to talk about the game, make friends in the community, and meet up with wings in the area. This will be a group whose level of quality will be unsurpassed in its potential. We are a true brotherhood, and we will do what is necessary to ensure it thrives, because its importance will become one of the most powerful sources of inspiration in our lives. If you interested in joining our band of brothers, contact BigWave at bigwavepua@aol.com.

TOKYO JAPAN LAIR:

Any Tokyo guys looking to join a Lair in Tokyo should email freebird at free897@hotmail.com


TOLEDO, OHIO - METRO DETROIT , USA LAIR

I am interested in starting a Lair in the Toledo, Ohio - Metro Detroit Area; Those interested should email Jay at TSAFriend@hotmail.com

TORONTO CANADA LAIR

Greater Toronto Area Lair By Throughfare

The group has grown to 20 members, and Throughfare has resigned his unofficial position of Founding Caudillo and Website Disorganizer. The TOPs executive now consists of our newly-elected President (Smooth) and Webmaster (Pluvio) People interested in joining the lair should now write to: TO_Lair-owner@yahoogroups.com

If you wrote to throughfare@mailvault.com for information and didn’t get a reply, please resend your email to TO_Lair-owner@yahoogroups.com

WASHINGTON, D.C. USA LAIR

DC Seduction, formerly known as DC Area PUAs, has been around since 2000. We are over three dozen brothers drawn from the Another Seduction Forum, SS, and the Lounge communities. Contact Minger at minger@dcseduction.com

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quote:
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Hey..

I'm a beginner in the seduction zone, and have a big fear of approaching girls. Just the thought about going over and talk to a girl scares me.. Don't feel good about doing it. It feels like something you just don't do if you see beautiful girl. You just don't go over and talk to her..

I have a few years ago tried in the disco at nights (a few nights) to go over to a girl and ask her to dance. Almost everyone rejected me, and it felt so hart. I was very wounded when I came home from that. I think I took it very personally.. But I now that I'm good looking, so it can not be that problem..

But now it seems like I'm scared just to say hi to any girl in a disco and something like that. Just stands there with my drink or beer and looking at all these nice chicks. Ok, if a chick approach me, then I try to push myself talking to her, but I never manage that.

I have tried Speed Seduction course, but that don't help me with that problem, with my fear. I have tried the Palo Alto from Speed Seduction, but I can't get it to work. There you can imagine something, and then the fear will be gone. But I can not get it to work. I'm still scared.. I have tried the equalizer from Ross Jeffries in a whole month. Heard it everyday, but still I don't dare to talk to any women. I have tried the MLF da Babe from Extreme mind, but that has also not helped me. Has also read David D'Angelo, also not helped me...

I'm really really frustrated right now, that I can't go over to talk to any woman, and want to really really doing it.. Just to learn going over to any woman and having a conversation is my goal.. All that ross jeffries "lines to say" etc. can wait. It's my ability to go over and just have a normal nice conversation is my goal. Never to be afraid going over and talk to a beautiful woman..

And I want to work this problem out with help on this forum. And on this forum. Here must be some good tools that can Help me. I have a lot of paraliminals, Natural Brilliance and Resiliency. I have used the paraliminals a little, but not much. Maybe I should use them a little more??

What would work?

Any good help suggestions on what to help me with this, and which paraliminal I should start with? Or with anything else..
And please, let the suggestions be helpful ones...

And things like "wait wait, and the right one will show herself in your life" is not what I'm looking for. I really really want to overcome that fear..

To have something that makes me take the action..

Kim.





Hey, listen Bill Gates. There is nothing wrong. Maybe computers are just your thing.LOLOLOLOLOL, whew that was good stuff...







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