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I started training SFQ in march of 2008. I have both levels 1 and 2. I brought SFQ to help heal my mother (Emphysema and Asthma, my Dog Chief (weak back spine / back Legs That causes him to just collapse his back legs to the ground, Tumors / Lumps) and Myself (Chronic Fatigue, Asthma, allergies and other pains).

My mum passed away in December 2009 and since then I have lost all Faith in any type of healing. I am also still sick and getting worse. I am being paid a sickness pension by the government, I can't work or exercise, I have no friends. Haven't had a relationship for years, because of this illness. My Dog Chief isn't getting any better and he is now blind in one eye.

I have trained in SFQ, Reiki Master, Oriental remedial Therapist, Acupressure, Vitamin Therapy, Meditation, Basic massage,Many Qigong styles, Taichi, Spiritual Healing, Crystal healing and more. I have seen so many Natural Therapist's and herbalist's over the years I can't count them on 2 hands. I have seen a renowned Qigong and Chinese healer for 2 years and nearly went broke because of his expensive treatments. I had an Australian renowned distance healer work on Mum, Me and Chief which didn't work. Mum really belied this healer would help her and even started talking about going to take a holiday overseas and starting to ride a bike again...about 5 weeks later she died!! She was only 59 years old.

I have tried every Vitamin, Herb and Natural medicine on the market with no results. I have been to a Native American Healer, Psychic healers and Have put my Mum, myself and Chief on many healing list including the one here.

I have been to a Specialist Doctor, who said after 6 months of test's...I can tell there is something wrong with you and you are sick, but I can't diagnose what is wrong and causing it. I am going to see an Immueiologist specialist at the end of this month. Still trying to heal.

I had dreams of working in the healing industry...even starting some kind of center to help people who can't be helped by doctors. But I have now lost all faith in healing. I started learning healing about 15 years ago and haven't Seen any change in Myself or the people I worked on...Only some small relief and relaxation, which the symptoms comes back in a few hours. I have done up to 5 hours a day of Reiki on myself and 4 hours of SFQ (2 x 2hours sessions) over the years. I should have seen some results by now. Also dogs usually heal quicker than Humans because they don't block healing attempts like humans can do...but no healing for my dog yet either.

So I hear reports of others being healed...so why not the people I have worked on, and myself? I thought maybe it was me...I am just not a good healer...But the professionals I have had work on my Mum me and Chief hasn't worked either. Even my Tai Chi master said he has never met someone who feels worse, Tired and worn out after Taichi, They usually feel refreshed and energized.

Is Chief, my Mum and myself just meant to be sick?

Even tho I have lost faith in healing...I still meditate, pray because I have had other experiences that tell me there is another world beyond this one. I just can't seem to have any luck with healing in any form.

I am still as upset today as the day mum passed away. I now feel like I have let my mum down because healing didn't work and I am worried I will get worse and there is nothing I can do about it!

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Hi Uly,

I am so sorry for your losses, pain and suffering.

There is so much to say about all of this, but the main thing is that I can hear that you feel very disappointed, disillusioned and let down by all these healing modalities.

And I am sorry, but I don't think anyone can give you a definitive answer.

However, I can speculate a bit, because I do a lot of study in this area and it is one of my main passions in my life and work.

Two things that I offer you as possibilities:

1) consider the possibility that regardless of how it seems unjust and too soon for your mother to pass away at 59 (and it does! and of course, even if she had lived a lot longer, a) if she was suffering during that time, the extra time might not be better and b) you would still feel a great loss no matter when it was. There is no perfect time for mourning. It is what it is, loss. It hurts and we have to heal from that. Time is one of the factors that helps, ironically. The same time that was taken from us being with our loved one in the physical body) that you may have helped her after all! THe fact that your mother was talking about a holiday and was riding a bike, sounds a little like a healing. Healing is not always recovery. In my tradition (the Jewish spiritual tradition), we pray for a "Refuah Shalemah", which is Hebrew for a "complete healing" or a "healing of wholeness" (kind of a redundant phrase).

The way I understand that, it means a healing that is appropriate for that person. Sometimes, it is what we call recovery or "cure". But not always. Sometimes, it is transition, release. It depends on the person, their karma, if you will, and the situation. And only that soul can know.

I submit to you, that it is possible, that it was your mother's time. And that though you were not able to "cure" her, you may indeed have helped her healing and helped her in what was her last days on earth. Healing happens on many levels and to focus only on the medical level, well, that is where energy healing and medical healing part ways (one of the many places).

Also, on this same point, blockages can build over many years and even life times. And it is not given to any of us to always know how deep, how big, how BLOCKED we are. We work on whatever practices we do, and there is some healing that is happening. FOr some people, it is very palpable and clear, for others, it is more subtle, and it is our ego that wants to see the results that WE want to see. This is natural. And then we have to let it go.

Even for your dog, he has a lot of energy blockages and sickness and pain. I don't know how old he is (you may have said in an earlier message), but sometimes, we can not get rid of all the symptoms, or even any. But quite often if can help the animal (or person) deal with the pain and suffering, make them feel better. I have worked on many animals and most of the time, they love it. They seem to come back for more. I would continue to work on your dog.

My therapist's teacher, Dr. Charles Tart, who was chair of the psychology dept of University of California in Davis, specialized then and now in paranormal research.

And one of his areas of focus was on the reasons for resistance to paranormal and psychic phenomenona , not only in skeptics, but BOTH IN PEOPLE WHO DO RESEARCH IN THIS AREA AND EVEN PSYCHICS THEMSELVES!

Dr. Tart wrote a number of wonderful books, one of which is called "OPEN MIND, DISCRIMINATING MIND". It is a collections of essays on different subjects.

One of those essays, may respond to your concern (it may not, but it feels to me like it does).

This essay is on prayer and Gurdjieff's understanding of the power of prayer. Gurdjieff is one of Dr. Tart's spiritual teachers (not in person, but through his work and that whole "Fourth Way" school of spirituality.

In brief, Gurdjieff believed that prayer worked, but that the reason why we often don't experience it working, is because we are many people, each one of us, is full of mixed messages. So if I, let's say, pray for a million dollars (or whatever), and think that I want it, fine. But, part of me doesn't want it![i]

And there are many aspects of self that do not communicate with each other. In Gurdjieff's understanding, in order for these kind of "powers" to work, we have to be very, very focused. And most people, MOST PEOPLE, are not that focused.

[i]EVEN IF WE PRACTICE FOR HOURS A DAY!
This kind of focus often can take years and years of practice with many failures before success (it can also be the opposite, but each case and each person is different).

Now, if this shoe doesn't fit, please don't wear it, but I know for me, that once I open to psychic or spiritual or more subtle forms of energy, I am tempted to do MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. My mind tells me (and I have Attention Deficit [ADHD] Disorder and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder [OCD], which exacerbates the problem) "Let's do more!" And not only that, it seems like the Law of Attraction works to bring more of those things into my life. So when I began deeply getting into SFQ, all of a sudden, there was everyone and their sister trying to "save me" or "help me" with Reiki or other forms of qigong, etc, etc, etc.

Now, this may only be me, but I have found that when it comes to energy healing, signal healing, informational healing, spiritual healing, most of the time, more is not necessarily better!

FOr me, it's worse. It does not work as well. It goes back to Gurdjieff's principle of focus (and this is a big part of SFQ healing. I can't speak for other forms, although I do do Tai Chi and have been practicing for over 35 years and that is part of my SFQ practice, and Master Lin has told me that is kind of an exception and it actually "best" if you have a good Tai Chi practice).

But here's the thing: one has to ask one's self: what works?

I know a lot of people who have practices of all kinds: yoga, Reiki, other qigong, Native American practices, aroma therapy, color therapy, herbal therapy etc etc etc, when they learn SFQ, they want to defend and keep their practice.

And my attitude is, hey, if it works, do it! We just say, it is best, if you make sure you have a half hour "buffer zone" in between.

But in all due respect, I humbly submit that for many people, THESE THINGS ARE NOT WORKING! If they do, fine. But if they don't, if things are not getting better, maybe we can take a kind scientific, experimental approach and try a different way.

What way? Try doing ONLY ONE THING AND NOT MANY!

Now, I am not saying that people should stop taking their medicine or whatever their health care professional is telling them to do. That is between them, the professional and their conscience and it is their own health. THey are responsible for the decision.

I am saying that like the old vaudeville joke of the guy who goes to his doctor, moves his are up and down and says, "Doctor, it hurts when I do this!"

The Doctor says, "Well then, don't do that!"

I have been through many healing modalities. I was raised mostly on a holistic approach from 1956 through now. My mother mostly took us only to Chiropractors and only MD's occasionally. I have tried many things. I have spoken to many people and I have heard a kind of example like yours many times.

And I think that your journey is a good one.

If you want to really see what works, try doing (as far as energy healing) ONLY SFQ for about 3 months or so. Personally, because of the results I have seen with it (and I have done many forms of qigong), I would give it even more than that. Maybe six months. If you did 4 hours of SFQ a day every day and didn't get results, it might mean it won't work for you ever.

But again, I humbly submit, that it might be working and might even work better if you only focused on that.

Now if you already did that and it didn't seem to work, again, how do you know that you would not be worse? Or your mother? Or your dog?

Everyone is different. THe blockages can be so strong and deep that you might be working very deep down and it might take longer (sometimes longer than the person has in this life) to get all the roots and all the way to the symptom.

I could be wrong, but it is possible.

You are in loss right now. That pain is real and is something that also needs to heal. SFQ can help with that process also, as can time.

I know that there are many on this board who also have trained in many modalities. And I mean no disrespect. If it works, than it works and that is it.

But this is addressed only to when it DOESN'T Work! Then try a different approach. Pick ONE thing and do it with the kind of dedication that Master Lin did. Just practice your qigong. Let go of the Reiki, Crystals, many qigong styles (almost all of my qigong teachers told me that before one can learn a new style, usually you have to do one style for a year or 300 hours, whichever comes first. IN general, this is a good rule of thumb).

Do this one practice for 100 days (start with that, download the LS 100 Days of practice calendar. It is free and a good tool to help). Then maybe another 100 days. Then another. After each 100 days, assess where you are. Maybe keep a journal during the time. Watch what happens.

Many times, when things get worse, they are getting better. Stuff is being stirred up. A healing crisis. A change. And then energy releases more and we experience healing. Or the opposite (And this too is quite common), people experience great breakthroughs and then get addicted to those. And when it is no longer big change or phenomenona, they get bored or discouraged or whatever. I know this happens to me a lot. It is one of the "demons" I wrestle with.

I encourage you to at least consider what I have offered. 1) that you DID help your Mom and possibly in ways that you don't know (Master Lin often says that we have to let go of the results and just offer it from love) and 2) that your development in spiritual/energy/message healing has reached a new level, that all of the things you have done are not wrong, but rather have brought you to this point of critical change and it is now time to focus ONLY on one practice with one teacher.

Okay, you did up to 4 hours of SFQ practice over the years. When I had my migraine breakthrough I was doing 7-10 hours! Now does everyone have to do that? No! No one has to do that! But I wanted to get through these migraines without medicine and I made an almost desperate decision that I was going to practice until they were gone.

If I had only done an hour or 2 at a time, it probably still would have worked. But it would have taken longer.

4 hours? Okay, but who can say how long it needs to take? At what point should the surgeon say, "okay, I have cut enough, now I am stopping because it is taking too much time". Might be 4 hours for some, 7 for others, and 10 minutes for someone else.

Maybe even for you, 4 hours is TOO much. It might be better for you to do a half hour session of active, an hour of meditation and that's it. And then no Reiki, crystals, or other energy practice. Let the SFQ "digest". And continue that process. Or that might be not enough. It depends how "badly" you want it to work. Or rather, how "goodly" you want it to work.

If it was me, I would drop all the complication and focus on one practice, try and do at least a half hour to one hour active and then if it is not helping work up to more. And then more. As much as I can do, comfortably within my schedule and lifestyle. ANd every once in awhile do a "marathon" or "retreat" session of much longer.

I.e. do a regular practice that works and fits and then once a moon or every few moons (maybe during full or new moon) do a much longer session (if breaks are needed, take them.

I know that this is a lot.

But I really do hope it helps and I hope that you can see that healing works on many levels and not only the physical.



blessings,

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Thankyou for you reply Shakurav,

I recently watch a documentary on "John of God" a very well known and well respected healer from Brazil. The documentary follow 3 people on there healing Journey with John of God. 2 people had cancer and one had Motor neuron disease, a particular nasty illness that slowly freezes up all the muscle and you slowly waste away. All 3 were dying and western medical doctors couldn't do anything more for them. After spending 2 weeks in brazil with John of God receiving spiritual, invisible healing and visible healing. They all felt like they were cured. Later on we find out that 2 of the 3 people had died and the lady with the tumors, well the tumors stopped growing, but she still had the lumps in her body.

The 3 people all went to john of God to heal there physical bodies so That they could live. Not to heal there souls or to heal on some other level. They all had massive amounts of faith and fully believed they were heal on the physical level. 2 out of 3 dying is not good odds and who knows if the 3rd lady will die later still? I also have sent my mothers Photo and My photo to John of god twice for healing. My mother is gone
and I'm still sick!

I can definitely say that when people go to be healed by healers they are going to them so there physical bodies are healed. That is implied to most people when they ask for healing. My dream of having a career working in the Healing industry is pointless...Imaging telling your clients that "Your physical body will still die but atleast your soul will be healed"! People shouldn't be lead in to a false assumption that Spiritual or Energy healing means healing of the physical body.

If Healing is truly healing of the Soul or other levels of our energy body then healing must filter down to the physical body....As above so below ( universal law). I'm beginning to feel like our bodies are worthless, and are there just to serve the soul. Which to me isn't right and isn't what I thought our loving universe was like.

In healing seems to be successful when a few are healed, but we never here about the large proportion that aren't healed or still remain sick. I bet there are a much larger percentage that are not healed by Master lin than that are healed by him, and the ones that are healed we still really don't know why they were. Maybe it's still a case of mind over matter?

If I was to go to the Gym and train for 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours in the evening and my muscles didn't get any bigger over 2 years (Just like I didn't with Healing practices) then we would say it doesn't work. I would have expected to see some change when I was doing SFQ for 4 hours a day. Not a complete healing just a change. I didn't see that. I was just as tired and sick after SFQ....just the same as when I
trained Tai Chi.

When I was training SFQ seriously I wasn't doing any Reiki or Crystals or any other form of healing. Just SFQ...I didn't want to mix the energies. I feel more closely connected to Qigong and SFQ even if it seems I am against it. But nothing is working for me. My Dog can't stand Reiki being done on him but loves SFQ. If I get back to SFQ it will be only for 30mins morning and night. I found with the 2 hours twice aday that I was forcing myself and it didn't feel good. But I think I need time to get my head around all my issues with healing in general. I am currently doing a Healing Cd called " Yoga Nidra or Psychic sleep"...I am find it very
relaxing and I feel good after doing it.

I think I am turning in the kind of person I hate.....A Skeptic. I have spent years believing in spiritual, natural and energy healing...now I'm finding it hard to believe in it at all.

Well I am going to an Immuneologist specialist next week lets hope he can atleast give a name to my illness...I hate telling people or the government that I am sick and I can't tell them what type of illness I have.Being not officially diagnosed (with Chronic Fatigue not Asthma), people think that it's all in your head. Another specialist said I have a Chronic Fatigue situation, but after every test under the sun he couldn't find the cause of my problem. I feel the doctors may never find out what illness I have, which then leads me back to having a blockage or spiritual illness, which only spiritual healing will heal. lol smile

Thanks Shakurav for you comments....They will give me something to think about smile

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Dear Uly,

first of all, I do not think that a doctor or anyone else "heals" another person, the body heals itself if we allow it. I am about to start the SFQ course and I have no experience yet with it but I would like to share my views. I think whether you use Reiki, Qigong or any other energy healing method - the method itself does not heal, it only provides the energy to help your body heal itself.

My grandfather died of cancer and though I am a Reiki teacher - I was not able to heal him - all I could do was to accompany him. My mother-in-law died of cancer and all I could do was to accompany her. Though she fought hard against cancer she was not willing to accept Reiki or anything except the medicine given by the doctor. She said she wanted to live but I always had the feeling that the illness provided some unconscious advantages to her. Of course, she was not aware of them and not willing to look at them, but it was her decision which I had to respect.

I can only provide energy to help the other person's body heal itself but I am not the healer, because the source of this energy is the Universe. If the body does not heal then maybe the illness serves a higher purpose, maybe it serves your spiritual growth or whatever you are meant to learn.

The body you live in, will die anyway one day - but that which you really are, is eternal.

I have the impression that you feel stuck. From my experience, whenever I was stuck, I started to allow myself to accept the situation as it is, and then I became open to change. (If I cannot change a situtation, why should I waste my energy to fight it? To resist it?)

Wishing you peace, love and healing,

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Are you Suggesting after 15 years of studying Natural Therapies, Healing modalities, Reki, Qigong, Viamin Therapies, Having some very Good and well Known healers work on me that I am somehow not allowing my Body to Heal or except healing? I hope not as I have been as open to healing as anybody can be. I have been so open in the past about Healing, I have been ridiculed and praise for the amount of Faith I have had in this area. There is no possible way I could have been more open to healing energy in the past. I have done EFT, Meditations and MasterLins Faith and confidence Cd as much as possible during the years to been as open and acepting as I can be. My Dogs Healing is not subjected to if He "allows it" or not. The man in the john of God video that died of cancer had unwaivering faith that he was healed and he still died.

If allowing onesself to be healed has nothing to do with the way i think or my Objective mind then that leaves the subconcious...Something that someone has no control over. Which leads to a breakdown of the law of Free will. If that's the case we are all puppets here on earth and our own free will means nothing. I believe that the physical body is just as sacred as the soul. The physical body has just as much right to heal as does the soul. A fully healed and healthy body means we can learn more in this physical earth school.

I understand what you are trying to say that you are not the healer...The universal energy is...But the end result is still the same, No bringing back to balance or health. After all these years I am still sick, My mother still died and my Dog is still sick. 2 people Still died in the John of God documentary.

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If the body does not heal then maybe the illness serves a higher purpose, maybe it serves your spiritual growth or whatever you are meant to learn.


How do you Know that for sure? You have no way of Knowing That it has helped them on another level of their being, on a soul level, for a higher learning experience or spiritual growth.It just pure speculation or wishful thinking. That is just another way of saying I don't know why the healing didn't work...it must have helped them in some other way.

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The body you live in, will die anyway one day - but that which you really are, is eternal.


Yes That is true from a Spiritual and Scientific view. The issue is Not that we don't have a soul, eternal or energy bodies. It is that "Healing dosen't work for everybody".

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I have the impression that you feel stuck. From my experience, whenever I was stuck, I started to allow myself to accept the situation as it is, and then I became open to change. (If I cannot change a situtation, why should I waste my energy to fight it? To resist it?)


I feel Frustrated, Disapointed and Angry after 15 years of putting my efforts in learing healing methods and being treated by healers of all kinds. Nearly going broke in the process, feeling sicker than I was when I started, not even see some improvements, My mother still dying and my dog still with his ailments...Nothing has changed. I have done my best to use spiritual, natural and energy healing methods which just haven't worked.

For whatever reason Spiritual, Energy and Natural Healing just hasn't worked for me, my family and countless other. It seems to have worked for a small percentage but not for everyone hence the title of the post....Healing dosen't work for everybody.

Now I have also noticed that Master Lin is losing his hair...That in Chinese medicine is weak Kidney chi. Is master lin giving away too much of his own kidney Chi or is it that there is no Kidney chi and he is just getting old like everyone does?

Uly





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Uly,

I'm sorry for the obvious pain you're experiencing. It was my good fortune to have gotten to know a man I think was one of the greatest healers of the modern world. He was a holy man of the Lakota Sioux nation named Frank Fools Crow. I literally watched Frank perform what can only be described as miracles in healing and he did such things regularly throughout his life.

One thing he used to say is "Not everyone can be cured, but everyone can be healed." He made a distinction between "healing" and "curing". As best I could understand it, when he spoke of curing he was referring only to the physical body. He was able to effect such cures with astonishing regularity but he admitted that first, it was not he who cured, but the power that flowed through him. He referred to himself as a "hollow bone" like a drinking straw through which power flowed. I always found this to be astonishing similar to the concept held by practitioners of Qigong who engage in healing work. Frank went so far as to say that if he was ever arrogant enough to presume he was anything more than just that "hollow bone" through which the power to heal and cure flowed, that this power itself would refuse to use him any longer as its channel.

Despite his success at instigating cures he freely admitted there were instances in which a person simply could not be cured regardless of his efforts on their behalf, or the tools of modern medicine, or that person's own desires for a cure. Some things, at least as he saw it, simply followed a natural course. They are as they are meant to be and nothing he knew of could change that. I'm not a hundred percent certain when he said things like that what he meant, but the impression I got was that he ascribed this "things are as they are meant to be" to a higher intelligence of some sort and not to blind fate. But again, he never spelled out exactly what he meant in detail, at least not to me.

On the other hand he maintained that virtually everyone could be healed. When he spoke of healing he was referring to something that went beyond merely our physical body. A person who was sick in a way that could not be cured might experience the peace that comes with this inner healing even though their body remained subject to a physical sickness or even when the person suffered from a terminal condition. A person who arrives at the end of the life in this physical body and is at peace in the deepest sense has been healed as Frank defined it, even though they could not be cured. They might still have experienced pain but they were no longer the victims of suffering in the way the Buddhists define suffering. That sort of peace is a healing that no sickness, disease or injury can ever take away from that person.

If I might be so bold as to offer an observation, in losing your parent, and your watching the decline of your dog, I couldn't help but feel that while they may have been or still be in discomfort, the one truly anguished and suffering about it seems to be you more so than them. It's so difficult to watch those we love experience pain and feel helpless to comfort them. Perhaps the first healing you should focus on is your own. Your own physical ailments may or may not be curable, but that's not what I mean. I'm talking about your own healing, as Frank defined it. Maybe that's where your immediate efforts should be most focused. It could be that when you've reached that place of healing in yourself; when you're fully at peace within, then you will be in a position to better be able to offer healing and/or even curing to those around you who need it as well?

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Mezmerotica....Thankyou for your wonderful post. Your post has a different and very peaceful energy to it. Thankyou smile

Well lets hope I can atleast be healed if not cured... Hopefully both smile

I recently read a very amazing and inspiring article on a man who died from cancer, had an amazing near death experience, came back to life 1 hour and 30 mins later, changed his life and the cancer went into what the doctors called Spontaneous Remission (love doctors explanations lol ).

If this story is true then parts of his experience are similar to my experiences. So I'm trying to stay positive even when I don't get the results I wanted.

I am now using Visualization and meditation as my healing method at the moment. I remember Master lin talking about a man in china who healed himself from cancer by visualizing small dragons taking away his dark, sick energy. I have devised a meditation similar to this, but with my own imagery. I may do the proper SFQ techniques later but I just don't have the confidence they are working for me at the moment.

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May I suggest a slight change in your "healing dragons" meditation? I'm a firm believer that our bodies and minds respond more favorably to positive images rather than negative ones. Take the man who healed himself from cancer as an example. If I were in his place, rather than visualizing darkness being taken away by dragons, I would instead visualize the dragons coming into my body and breathing their fire into it in the form of light. I would omit any images of darkness itself and focus on increasing presence of healing light. The mind then, is not dwelling on the absence of darkness (which is a positive image that is still couched in a negative context,) but rather it is dwelling on the building up of healing light. This is an entirely positive image. Same end result without flirting with any negative imagery.

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Ok That sounds good. I have to be carefull in which way I think about things. Good advice...Thanks for that smile

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Uly, I am glad that I gave you something to think about and I hear your struggle. I also like Mezmerotica's positive post and Mezmerotica said what I was trying to say, only much better!

"Healing" as opposed to "curing". THerefore, one could re-state your original title as "Healing" does not "cure" everyone. And Master Lin would agree. It does seem to have "curative" effects on some, even many people. More than seems statistically likely. But healing is a bigger issue. However, I hear your frustration and the cognitive dissonance you are experiencing. You are experiencing pain, illness, suffering all on top of loss. ANd you are looking for "results".

And who can blame you?

All I am saying on top of the excellent point made by Mezmerotica is that a) NO MODALITY "CURES" EVERYONE. Not drugs, surgery, any of it. and b) that when things work, they do not have the same "work" on every person. For some people, it just helps them get through a day. Others, it lessens some symptoms, but not all. Others, it seems to "Cure".

Healing happens. Period. IT is not that you did not try hard enough, or that you did not want it work. It is rather that every person is unique and we are not merely a set of symptoms or conditions. Sometimes that FACT is comforting and helpful. Other times, it is confusing, paradoxical and difficult.

The idea that "healing will help you spiritually, but not help your body" is still dualistic thinking. I don't see it that way either. I think it helps ALL of it. Always. How? Ahhh! Now that is the 50 million Euro question! And here's the really good/bad news (but you already know it) : it works differently for every person, because each person, case, situation, moment in time is TOTALLY UNIQUE! And to make it even more frustrating, not only for you, but everyone, EVEN when we know what the disease is, and even if someone ONLY relies on "materia medica" or whatever modality, again, IT WILL NOT WORK ON EVERYONE!

As a rabbi, I have watched plenty of people dying, while they do the same kind of dance that you described that people did with "John of God" or whomever, but they do it only with hospitals and medical doctors. And there is the same kind of anger, frustration, and doubt that you are experiencing or describing.

The question you are asking is right on. It is just that limiting it to "energy healing" or whatever, is an arbitrary limit. It applies to ALL healing on every level. Ask a medical doctor what the criteria is for a tested drug to be considered "effective". It will blow your mind!

If you or anyone here has never seen the movie "MY LIFE" with Michael Keaton and Nicole Kidman, written and directed by Bruce Joel Rubin, who wrote the screenplay for "GHOST", I highly recommend it. Another important character in the film, is an energy healer, played by the outstanding and Academy-award winning actor and real-life Cambodian medical doctor, Dr. Haing S. Ngor.

Here's a capsule review from the Amazon.com site:
Quote:
Screenwriter Bruce Joel Rubin (author of the fanciful Ghost) made his directorial debut with this more serious confrontation with the realities of death. Michael Keaton plays an advertising executive who learns he is dying even as his wife (Nicole Kidman) is pregnant. The film beautifully focuses on his anger over everything: the unfinished business of his life and the probability he'll never meet his child. The late Dr. Haing S. Ngor (The Killing Fields) is terrific as a doctor who helps Keaton's character to recognize the corrosiveness of his rage and to let go. The film is a heartbreaker but truly cathartic for anyone who has felt the blunt pain of losing someone close. Keaton is outstanding. --Tom Keogh


The healing sessions between Michael Keaton's character and the healing practitioner, player by Ngor, are the best part of the movie for me. I asked Master Lin about this once and if he had situations like this, and he smiled at me and said "all the time".

Sometimes the healing happens by allowing the person to die easier. That is not merely "spiritual", but very much physical (and emotional and mental AND spiritual). It is not "curing", but it is healing. Ask Hippocrates. He'll tell you! Healing is not only curing, but sometimes it is dying. That does not seem fair or right in many cases. It is nevertheless, true.

Anyway, I am sorry if none of this helps you. I still hope it does. I know it helps me and I hope it helps others who read this.


blessings,

Steve
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