Forums IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ Abundance for Life, Effortless Success Mark Orth

Well, one of the things I wanted to use the course with was handling a sense of overwhelm I get when I have to deal with large projects.

I generally will procrastinate and freak out as things come to a head. I get things done, but it is generally really frenzied toward the end.

Well, I have been handling things slightly differently from using the course and the feeling exercise. I found myself procrastinating still, but it was slightly different. I simply did the feeling exercise, and I realized that, hmmm, I just really don't want to do this stuff right now. So I didn't. And I didn't hassle myself or work myself or feel a whole bunch of guilt and shame about the stuff I felt I should get done but didn't.

Thing is, I am making progress on my current projects, and I think I will get everything in on time. This was one of my goals, to manage the project without freaking myself out or procrastinating and feeling like crap ... not even getting the rest I wanted from procrastinating in the first place.

I am also meditating every day. This is something I haven't done for a really, reall long time. And it's not like I am really forcing myself to or anything. I pretty much just want to do it.

This might not be what was intended by the course, but I am not really focusing on conscious choice. I mean, the intentions for a better life are there, I am just hesitant to make this program be like all the others I've done.

So, what I am doing is focusing on the feeling of manifestation of the feelings from my self and feeling the current situation in my life as an expression of my beingness or self. I feel that the deeper I connect in this way, the more automatically I can move through whatever it is I need to move through by intending to have my life the way it is.

That is, right now my decision is to own my present moment and state of life (including my messy apartment and everything) and to make a transition to whatever is next in as natural a way as possible.

I am sure I have more planned for myself on a higher level than what I am living. I also know that I am living as I am living for a reason (or a bunch of reasons). So I am just checking things out, letting them flow, and seeing what happens.

Every once in a while I think, oh yeah, I want this ... and things have been going pretty well. I am not in need of material things, so I haven't been using the program for that.

I believe there are many commonly acceptible psychological explanations for what the course is doing for me now without metaphysics. I admit that I am skeptical about the claims about manifesting material goods, etc.

The metaphysics of the course are interesting and, imho, half-plausible. Part of me remains skeptical about things like this, the other part of me says, "What the hell? It might be true."

So, if I try some material manifestation outside of myself with the course, I'll let you know how it goes.

Personally, I think you'd be better off trying to better your self rather than focusing on material things. But, of course, I recommend that because it is right for me. It might not be right for you, but you might want to try it.

Claims made by a lot of human potential products are horribly exaggerated (my opinion), including those made in mailings by LSC.

If the magic of belief worked, then Santa Claus would climb down chimneys and deliver a pony to every little gullible and imaginative girl and boy. How many girls and boys have ponies after Christmas?

That being said, there are things, realistically, you can do within the domain of your self. There are processes involved in your consciousness that are better to accept and be connected to in a helpful fashion as things unfold. For instance, I see my apartment as a manifestation of my thoughts and feelings, because it is my thoughts and feelings that lead me to get it, pay the rent on time, bring things into it, clean it or not clean it, put junk mail on the floor, etc. By using this course, I can certainly modify the way my apartment looks, the way I think and live. This is acceptible to me as an expression in reality of my ideas and thoughts.

The whole deal about thoughts attracting things ... well ... people work with cancer all the time without getting it. They are thinking about it, but does it happen? People have fears that horrible things are going to happen to them and their loved ones. Does it happen? Usually, no. People are paranoid and believe that the cia has implanted tracking devices, radios, mind control technology, etc., into their fillings. Does this make the CIA do so? Does it make it happen? No.

When you focus on a goal you sensitize your mind to things in your environment relevant to the achievement of your goal and you act in accordance. That is, you notice what helps you get what you want, and you act on those opportunities and achieve your goals.

This is why people who believe crazy things and act out on them are seen as crazy. Their beliefs are not in sync with reality. They are nuts.

Now take people who are, by the definition of most people at the time, nuts, but who are successful. The Wright brothers believe man could fly. Their idea was based, however, on understandings of physics and how the world worked. They worked within the limitations of physical reality and changed the world.

Now, contrast this with trying to fly by simply visiualizing yourself floating around, flying out the window, etc. Believing in one is crazy, the other the birth of a work of genius. So ... my question to you is: how are you thinking about this course? If you think you're going to fly by magic, my guess is you're in for one hell of a fall.

I have known people who believe that if they chant sutras (without even knowing what they mean), their lives will be filled with abundance. They can list a whole host of occurrences to "prove" that chanting will manifest abundance. My question is: is the link of cause and effect between chanting the sutras and having whatever happened happen a proven fact? Or would those things just have happened anyway?

I prefer to focus on what I can do for myself. From a certain point of view, what is being said in the course is plausible and makes sense. You have just got to see how most of this stuff isn't magic, but can be applied to practical application where results can seem like magic. When the unconscious mind or various levels of consciousness are involved things can seem like magic.

My next goal with this course is to allow myself to give my all to various projects with which I have tended to hold back. I'd like to be able to totally commit myself to something over long periods of time as an easily accessible skill.

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"The whole deal about thoughts attracting things ... well ... people work with cancer all the time without getting it. They are thinking about it, but does it happen? People have fears that horrible things are going to happen to them and their loved ones. Does it happen? Usually, no."

That's mainly because their dominant intentions aren't about what they also fear. They may love their work passionatly or perhaps a person. That bond makes them stay focused on that and maintain their wellbeeing. Showering love around is conscious creation 101, although limiting/tranceinducing beliefs may make the strongest manifester left without.

Tore

My husband has very recenlty suffered 3 strokes, from the little Ihave read and heard both on the course and on this board I really think that Mark Orth's approach to understanding the map would be of great use to my husband's condition, after all we have to find a way of recreating a map of the territory so he can negotiate it. Can anyone tell me if there is a way for me to contact him or find out more about his thoughts and writings. I am going to be brutally honest I have very little money as I have had to give up working to are for my husband.

Tore,

Are you saying that one must intend what one thinks about in order for it to manifest?

Of course, people still argue that by merely thinking about something negative, fearing it or what have you you bring it to yourself.

It's a nice thought, but that is about it. Again, naive children do not know any better and they will believe whole-heartedly in just about any convincing lie you want to tell them, especially if they think it'll help them get what they want.

Does it make it manifest? Not unless the parents see how much little Jimmy wants that toy and have the resources and desire to get it for him. And that is taking action.

I am open to happy coincidences, but I really don't think that my thoughts create my reality in any way other than a cognitive and interactive (as in relating with others and manipulating objects in the world) sense.

You know the saying: wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled first.

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Loverofcats,

There are sources readily available that may help you. Structure of Magic I and II while technical, can provide a basis for using language to increase the detail of mental maps. I'd suggest rather than using it to elaborate the maps of the problem state, use it to enrich the map about the states you want.

Also, Sleight of Mouth by Robert Dilts is available, as well as Persuasion Engineering by Richard Bandler.

These books provide you with a lot of verbal tools that may help.

Basically, however, simply ask question after question and get more and more sensory specific with your questions. "How do you know that" is a good question to use about anything. "What do you feel? What do you see? What do you hear? How do you know *that* is true?"

How specifically do you think increasing your husbands maps in what ways will help? Is he having problems with basic cognition?

"You know the saying: wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one gets filled first."

Haha... no, never heard it before. English is my second language. I hope that doesn't make to much of a mess of what I try to say.

Well babayada it seems that you have made up your mind about realitycreation. Your choice. Your experience. I've a few years of practice and have enough feedback to believe in the process. Magical thinking or wishful thinking to some. My grandpa passed away this day so I'm not in the mood of giving any detailed description of things/other that have manifested. I'm going to be a ***** and say that your mind is probably set on dismissing it anyways. I'll ask to be forgiven about that comment right now.

I also believe in acting and not just sitting on your ass waiting for the dollars to come knocking at your door. That's half of the fun, the doing. I sense from your comments some underlying issue about realitycreation which makes you negative to it. Perhaps not. That's mindreading I guess. Sorry again.

If your mind needs more info on a more intellectual level and not just a practical description of it - please take a peek at "Seth - the Nature of Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts. I'm sure that will answer a bucketful of questions. At least it's a better package for some when getting to know conscious creation. Although it's channeled and that was an issue for me at the beginning. Couldn't believe a word from the book until it just made sense a bit too much.

I still like your posts tho. cya

I am sorry to hear about your grandpa.

We could go back and forth on this issue, and you're right about my predispositions.

Hope things get better for you soon.

Thanks.

T