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I'll try those forums. I have visited the UltimateSeduction forum, but it seemed a slow forum to me, so I tended to dismiss it, but I'll try there. What is the URL for the

That's coz their lead moderator Archangel goes through every newbie's posts before having them appear. Ultimateseduction was being spammed by everyone from kiddie porn peddlers to penis enlargeners and other sham products. I think that ****ed them off and they tightened security at the group

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So, should I understand that it delivers what they promise?

I got what I came for, namely greater ease influencing people to my cause. Of course, the ad may be a little sugar coated but I feel it still delivered and made the money worth it.

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part of my plan for learning Photoreading. Maybe I could even DirectLearn them .

Are them ebooks? Not printed ones? I don't remember whether or not the site told about its format.

Yup, the pack is in ebook format. That disappointed me coz I love dusting my bookshelf everymorning and admiring my hard bound stuff. Of well. Can't win em all.

How's your photoreading experience btw? I'm now averaging 600wpm to 800wpm with commendable comprehension. Kudos to LSC!

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That's a great idea. I need to buy a Palm to do it, but it really would be a great way to keep ebooks. I recently downloaded the BSFF ebook, but I mostly haven't looked into it. Maybe this way I'll be reading it. Thanks for the suggestion.

Let me modify my suggestion:
Get a PALM, not a PocketPC. The Pocket PC tends to mangle the formating of some ebooks On my Palm, Pocket Acrobat Reader does a fantastic job converting PC ebook layout to Palm screen layout. In full color! With pix!

Ahhh... imagine taking that long commute home with not a whiff of boredom coz you're armed with all your ebooks on a Palm.

Incidentally, Palms last a week before charging. Pocket PCs last only a day.

Guess why??

(hint. Microsoft's operating system powers the Pocket PC)

Did you buy all of them? Does Speed Seduction books come as PDFs? What is Double your Dating?

Spent over $5000 on assorted ebooks, CDs, hardbound books, etc. I'm a collector, you see.

Speed Seduction comes in Hard copy as well as PDF. Thank God. I don't want to lug around the hard copy of SS. I'd look like a loser reading that in the bus. With the Palm, you can surreptitiously pull out a few key patterns and launch it on your seat mate.

Double your Dating is written by David De Angelo. It's essentially a very long version of the Magnetic Attraction ebook which you'd get in the Extreme Level One you were asking about. Both books are pretty top notch.

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A question that I need to ask is whether or not Speed Seduction can be used for purposes other than seduce girls and if it's worth buying it for that purpose.

Skip Speed Seduction. Ross charges too much for it. Most women find me nuts even after 8 months of practicing it. Some DO fall for it though.
My two cents: Speed Seduction can be created by ANY persistent fellow who has the rudiments of NLP down tack. SS, as you'll soon discover, is all about creating strong emotional states within people. Particularly the HORNY state.

Any NLP book, whether its O'Conner's Intro to NLP, Hall's User's Manual for the Brain or Plazo's Lethal Tongue teaches you all that... at 1/5th the price.

Look at Speed Seduction. It's $300. Unless you're a crazed collector like me, you'd experience Buyer's Remorse.

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Well, by reading this, I understand that the package delivers what they promise

I hafta agree with you on that. After reading the first two books I already knew I'd never take up their offer on the 100% satisfaction guarantee.

Ey, check out their free stuff by the way. They got free MLF da Babe and Deep Minds. Pretty effective for me. I won't even mind paying for those if they actually sold them.

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Would you recommend any of these alternatives over the Xtreme package?

I have most of Altfield's and Tom Vizzini's products. A++ in my book. Needs just a tad more organization, but its still sizzles.

From MaxPersuasion, I have only Max Persuasion level one. It costs over $300. I admit it's TREMENDOUSLY helpful, but there are grimaces.

First, the CDs are mere iterations of the manual. I pretty much got annoyed with Kenrick Cleveland guffawing and snorting all over the place. My finger kept hitting the fast forward button till I came to the meat, then fast forward,then meat... etc.

The CD set is big. About 13. I finished only four and quit. I just read the books. After all, they contained EVERYTHING cleveland was teaching, minus the guffaws.

There's another drawback. The MaxPersuasion series is a grossly overcharged package of what you can get from the $24 Mind-Lines 2000 of Michael Hall, PhD, the $69 Extreme Power of Joseph Plazo, the $30-$80 packages of Tom Vizzini at Essential-Skills.com and the $200 UltimatePersuasion Forumla of Kent Sayre.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are equally good (if not better) products at far lower prices.

By the way, Kenrick Cleveland's successes at Max Persuasion, Influential Spinning, Objection Mastery all spurred him to create this much hyped "Dark Side" of NLP.

DOn't buy it. It's $1200++. Too over priced and it's a rehash of Speed Seduction, Psychic Seduction, Mind Seduction and all the far cheaper, but pioneering works on coercive sexual NLP.

How do I know? I read all the usenet and forum write-ups. Plus, I purchased the damn package. Three of us chipped in to buy it. Man. BUYER'S REMORSE BIG TIME!!!

John