Hi again Brian,

Talking about subjective, it is probably possible to achieve no internal representations for a while. But it's not ideal, and you would not be able to achieve it for very long, without being unproductive.

If you see a pen on your desk and you pick it up to write, you've told yourself to pick it up whether you like it or not. This telling yourself something is an internal representation.

States are formed by two things physiology and internal representations. Behavior flows from states. Without beliefs, values, opinions, ideas, etc you would not be "liberated" you would be a zombi.

Paul Scheele suggests you listen to the still, small voice within, this is an internal representation. If all we had was our preconscious processors, without anything else we would also be zombies.

I would say Brian, to give Tom a better state to work from is to listen more closely to what you are saying to yourself, feeling, seeing in your mind, unless you want Tom to turn out to be a zombi.

I found that in order to do this you have to be a quiet listener, you have to listen to yourself. If nothing comes up, well then you've got to improve your listening to yourself.

Good luck Brian.

[This message has been edited by Grant (edited February 11, 2002).]