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And also, i've seen posts that talk about OBEs, (out of the body experinces),
whats that about, is it the same thing as an astral proyeccion, and are both the same as lucid dreaming, because i'm a little confused, hope that some one can clear my doubts.

and if OBEs are not the same thing, how do you achive those.




Hi again Pablomx,

This morning, I realized why some may relate OBEs with lucid dreaming.
It came to me this morning, while I was experiencing my latest lucid
dream. One fun activity to perform when lucid dreaming is to "fly."
Indeed, that's the first impulse I have when I enter lucidity. It may
betray a subconscious desire to leave the bounds of the waking world, and
when I fly in a lucid dreaming state, I REALLY feel like a bird, flying
freely! (I'm also an airplane pilot in real life, and flying a plane is
still SO restrictive with all the noise of the engines and having to
monitor all those instruments and handle those cumbersome controls. In
real life, flying a plane is more like driving a complicated bus than
truly flying.) But in lucid dreaming, I feel like I'm really flying like
a bird, and the feeling is wonderful.

Just this morning, as I entered lucidity, I felt my legs starting to
"peel" away from my body, floating higher and higher into the air. My
head was anchoring me down at first, but as I sank deeper into lucidity, I
"detached" from my body, and I was flying freely again. I remembered your
question about OBEs, and that's when I made the connection ... perhaps
this is what some people interpret as an OBE. I made an effort to try to
look at my body lying on my bed, but to be honest, I could not see myself.
(To me, that suggests that it only FELT like I was out of my body, when in
fact, I was just in a different state of consciousness, and merely
PERCEIVED to be out of my body.) As I flew around my "house", I noticed
things which should not be where they appeared in the dream, so I knew I
was dreaming, not truly having an OBE. But I can easily see why some who
similarly experience a lucid dream could perceive themselves as having an
OBE, because during lucidity, it really feels like one is a disembodied
spirit flying around.

Well, my dream went on to be one of the most profound dreams I've ever
had. I heard the most beautiful music performed by a complete symphony, a
song I had never heard before, one which completely enraptured me and
moved me to tears, and one which I truly wished I could record. (I often
hear such songs in my dreams, and, gee - I REALLY wish I could bring a
tape recorder into the dream-world with me!) And I experienced what I
perceived to be a scene from my future, a deeply moving experience. The
colors, sounds, textures, and emotions were all ultra-sharp,
ultra-realistic, as if I were living in a high-definition universe. And I
was fully conscious and appreciating every moment. (Ever see the movie,
What Dreams May Come with Robin Williams? It's like that!) And when the
dream began to conclude, the music (which now included a lovely choir)
ended right on cue, and that world gradually faded out, to be exchanged for
this world. Nevertheless, the profound sense of contentment, peace, and joy
lingered as I lay in bed, reliving the experience to my journal.

So, I thought I'd share that. There does seem to be a connection between
lucid dreaming and perceived OBEs. And the experience is so profound that
some may believe that they actually did leave their bodies. I suppose
it's ok to interpret the experience however one wishes to do so, but there
is an easy way to test whether in fact an OBE occurred in objective,
physical reality. The test is to have your spouse write on a piece of
paper a number (unknown to you), and to put it on top of a tall piece of
furniture, which you cannot see from the ground. If you really have a
lucid-dreaming OBE, just remember to fly up to that piece of paper and
examine what the number is. And when you awake, ask your spouse whether
it was the right number. (Do this honestly - no peeking in real life! -
of course.)

Best to you and your dreams!

HF